As a craft-challenged person, I am not likely to make a baby quilt for my grandchild. No crocheted layette set. No precious little going-home outfit handmade by Grandma.

No meaningful someday-heirloom.

Give me some ideas, folks!
  • aleta
    Congratulations on the expectation of a new grandbaby! I’m so excited for you! I’m sure you’ll get some good ideas, but my advice is just do what comes naturally. They come into the world needing the simple love of grandparents, instinctively knowing who you are (it’s so amazingly rewarding!) I’m not one who knows how to make handmade things, so I made each one a custom version of my children’s songbook and have watched them carry it around, singing every word. You’ll find a way to give them a piece of you. Congratulations again! This is so exciting!
    by aleta at 10/10/17 3:49PM
  • nchantment4u
    You'll give them the same thing Timothy's grandmother gave him. And you can crochet way better than me. This reminds me! I made a baby blanket last year and stored it away!! It's not even close to heirloom quality though!
    by nchantment4u at 10/10/17 4:14PM
  • chickadee
    Never thought to ask this before... does baby's family live nearby?
    by chickadee at 10/10/17 7:52PM
  • tryphena
    Wow, Mayflower! Those are all fabulous suggestions. I may keep each of them in a file for baby gift ideas for others, too.

    Chickadee, yes. Sarah and Jonah are about 7 minutes away from my house.
    by tryphena at 10/10/17 8:32PM
  • justg
    Each of our grands received one of these:

    I also invested in a classic wood high chair that stayed in our dining room (still there) to be passed on. (chances are they won't want it)

    Not.a.craft.person either. Grands don't want 'things' (well, they do ... ) they want you to be their soft place to land! :)
    by justg at 10/11/17 5:57AM
  • ceoltoir
    Make sure people take photos of you with the grandbaby and continue to do so over time. Photos are a treasure.
    by ceoltoir at 10/11/17 9:41AM
  • tryphena
    ^Ceoltoir, I am not a photo person at all, but I will concede for the sake of the grandchildren.

    I love the idea of a special high chair at my house for the babes! We will have the family cradle here for naps :-)
    by tryphena at 10/11/17 12:57PM
  • justpeachy
    How about a child size rocking chair? Later the grand can use it with her child also
    by justpeachy at 10/12/17 6:00PM
  • meditationis
    We have classes for that... ;-)
    by meditationis at 10/12/17 7:43PM


We are hiring a laser machine operator at LaserScribe. Do you know someone who might be interested? I have a complete job description/requirements that I can e-mail.
  • kailua
    Nope - sorry. Best of luck though.
    by kailua at 03/16/17 5:17PM
  • tryphena
    ^How about if we relocate to Hawaii? :-D
    by tryphena at 03/17/17 7:01AM
  • justg
    Finches: Frenetic little things ... just about the time I am about to snap, something startles them. Bright yellow males, drab little females. Eating us out of finch food, two pounds in a week!

    I read the job description, very employee friendly, willing to train. I hope someone just right comes your way.
    by justg at 03/17/17 11:21AM
  • kailua
    by kailua at 03/17/17 8:05PM
  • tryphena
    More like I could move away from these obligations...
    by tryphena at 03/19/17 3:11PM
  • joc
    May I add you to my friend's list? I just saw your location on chickadee's page. I have a niece who is moving to Indianapolis very soon and I would like to point her to a sound church, even though she is a member of a denomination. Thought it would be good to try.
    by joc at 10/04/17 12:59AM

05/27/16 12:12PM

  • nchantment4u
    Is that all you had time to write? Is this code for an SOS?
    by nchantment4u at 05/27/16 12:22PM
  • tryphena
    A mere slip of the pinky finger, and someone is ready to call 911!!??? Thank you for having my back!! :-)
    by tryphena at 05/27/16 12:38PM

Grandparent Question

I know nothing of this firsthand and don't expect to for a long time. I just saw a post on FB from a grandmother who is excited about the gender reveal of her latest grandchild. The post ended with "This Mima is excited!"

Mima is a new one to me. I've seen lots of "Nanas" in recent years, as well as "Mimis." "Grammy" remains popular, I think, and Mamaw and Papaw have made a comeback.

My parents are called "Geepoo and Gummy," due to the fact that the eldest grandchild, my daughter, mispronounced the name that my dad decided they would be, which was "Gumpy and Gummy." "Gummy" punny is that?...although young children sometimes pronounce their Gs as Ds, causing some early consternation--I don't think my mom ever really liked her grandmother name, but she loves to hear it on my daughters' lips. My brother and sister did not follow suit (my brother and brother-in-law just didn't want to have anything to do with anything they thought I was part of), so most of the grandchildren call my parents Mamaw and Papaw (they were regressive and progressive at the same time, no?). I think that makes them sound ancient, while Geepoo and Gummy sound young and fun--which they were when my kids were little. I've always been glad that my parents had weird grandparent monikers. My sister's children seem to like "Geepoo and Gummy," but habit has caused them to retain "Mamaw and Papaw" for both sets of their grandparents.

Everyone at school knew Geepoo and loved him. In preschool, for "G" day, Hannah brought in her Grandfather whose name is Gordon but we call him Geepoo. It was a hit and to this day when I run into her preschool teachers, they ask about Geeps. (I'm glad she wasn't yet playing the violin, because a few years later she announced to me that her favorite string guessed it...the G string. But I digress.)

My in-laws requested to be called Nany and Papau, because of their Swedish roots. There was already an older grandchild who set the tradition and I never dreamed of calling them anything else. In my young and foolish-er years, I thought "Nany" sounded way too much like "mommy," so although I said nothing, it kinda rankled me. I should never have taken offense to whatever they wanted to be called! I just didn't understand the relationship. The worst part of it now is that spellcheck doesn't like either name very well and I have to read over my texts before sending them. First world problem, isn't it? :-)

I call myself "Granny" to my grand-dog, but it's just a joke and I don't really expect to be called "Granny" by any future grandchildren. Can't help but think of the Clampetts when I hear "granny." Hannah refers to me as "Grandma" to her dog.

My grandparents were "Grandma Taylor" and "Grandma Hochmeister," although when my cousins and I refer to them now, it's usually "Grama," "Grams," or "Grammy."

So, I have some questions: What do your grandchildren call you? If you don't yet have grandchildren but know what you'd like to be called, what is that name? Should the name be a dictate from the grandparents or consensus among the family? Is it traditional for your family or a modern adaptation meant to make you sound less old and more modern and fun? Does it matter to you what you're called?
  • ceoltoir
    Do you think it's necessary that all grandchildren in a family use the same moniker? My children are much younger than their cousins and, when they came along, adopted a different name for my dad. I didn't think it was a big deal but I've caught some grief about it through the years.
    by ceoltoir at 04/21/16 10:20AM
  • kailua
    Favorite string - Pahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

    Reminds me of my four year old asking if we could get a bird? I told her no but thanks for asking.

    I had many reasons "why not". The last one being that birds like to start making noise just before or when the sun comes up.

    Nicole had the perfect solution, "That's okay. I'll put the bird where the sun doesn't shine."

    Unfortunately I have no grandchildren.

    My daughter and son in law have been married for six years in May and never plan on having children.

    My son and daughter in law will be married for three years in October and no plans yet on when they will have children.

    My grandmothers were called Grandma and Grammy.

    My mother wanted to be called Grammy but ended up being called Grandma by my children.

    My mother in law was called Nanny - very popular in New Zealand where she was from.
    by kailua at 04/21/16 10:28AM
  • marmee
    We are Bumpa and Marmee ... Bumpa was the name my DH called his maternal grandfather. That Bumpa died when DH was two. He chose it and asked the kids if they liked it. All approved wholeheartedl! I began to be called Marmee by my girls in the late 90's when they fell in love with the book, Little Women. It has just stuck and many people now call me Marmee, including my precious grands. I answer better to that than I do Sue!

    Perhaps you could ask your girls to pick your grandparent names? They might love making that a family affair with you and Ted!
    by marmee at 04/21/16 10:29AM
  • DecemberGrace2
    My grandparents on dad's side were Coot, as in "you old coot!" which my older sister heard and held onto ;) and Modelle (her actual name). My mom's parents were Grandma Linda and Grandpa Neil and Grandpa Don (her step dad). Our kids so far as sticking with Grandpa and Grandma [last name], with the exception of my daughter calling my dad Papa, for reasons I still have not figured out.

    I am not against the grandparents requesting names that are special to them - like the Swedish ones of your in-laws. If either set of our parents had made requests, I would have done my best to implement them as an honor to our parents.

    Personally, I don't think all grandkids in a family should mandatorily call their grandparents the same thing, especially if the kids were the ones to come up with the moniker. I can see where it can cause strife between family members, but people really need to lighten up!

    I have no particular name I want used when I have grandbabies - still 20+ years away though, I have time to think it over ;) If my kids have something they like to use for us, I'm happy with that. Or just Grandma E would suffice. The joy of the grandkids will far outweigh my pickiness of what they should call me!

    by DecemberGrace2 at 04/21/16 11:40AM
  • meditationis
    I called my grandparents "grandma" and "grandpa" ... real simple, eh?
    by meditationis at 04/21/16 12:53PM
  • justpeachy
    I was the first grandchild for both sets of grandparents so I named my mother's parents "Grand Honey and Momma Honey" much to my grandmother's dismay. Only my sister and I called her that. After hearing how she preferred to be called grandmother from my aunts for many years, when I started producing kids I asked her what she wanted to be called by them Her reply," Momma Honey". My husband's family has the tradition of calling the grands by the name Momma ___________ first name or Daddy________. Since Nana was taken quickly by my kids in-laws and I didn't want to be called granny either, my solution was to use Momma Les, or whatever the kids came up with instead.
    by justpeachy at 04/21/16 4:40PM
  • tryphena
    Meditationis Simple and effective. That's the way our family did it in the past, too, but I kinda like the uniqueness of some of the names.

    DecemberGrace2 Your last sentence--YES! I do love that your daughter has a special name for your dad--maybe she thinks their relationship is unique enough to merit its own moniker.

    Mermee I like your idea of having the girls' input! I mentioned this post to my older daughter, since I called her out a couple of times in it, and she says she would love for the different grandparents to have different names, as opposed to "Grandma A" and Grandma S." But of course, this is the child who dubbed Geepoo "Geepoo," so hard telling what she would come up with. And if we ask the guys' opinions as well...that might be throwing us to the wolves! But I think I *would* be interested in hearing what my family has to say about it.

    Kailua Heeheehee! That's a great story! Does Nicole roll her eyes when you recount it? We have a number of girl-stories along those lines. I'm sorry for your lack of Grands, seeing the joy they must bring--although sometimes they can bring stress and sorrow, too. In general, they seem to be a blessing, especially in babyhood. When people ask about grandchildren and I say that both of my girls are married, so maybe, but...I always hesitate to be very excited about it. I know several couples who were unable to have children and I don't want to put that kind of pressure on my kiddos.

    Ceoltoir To answer your question, it's obviously not "necessary" that all the grandchildren call the grandparents the same thing, but I think it adds to the cohesiveness of the extended family when they do. My cousins and I are all in our 40s-60s, and it really means something to us as we reconnect (or connect for the first time) when we refer to the same person by the same endearment. And on the other end of it, as the one whose kids came up with the first moniker, it's kind of a slap in the face that the name chosen wasn't good enough for everyone, especially when the grandparents seemed to enjoy it so much (and actually chose their version of the names originally). There was a lot of jealousy, and it underscored some nasty sibling rivalry that should never have been allowed in the first place. But even that still comes down to being a cohesive extended family. Ours always managed to put the "fun" in dysfunctional whenever possible. I never expressed my disappointment that my sister and brother didn't follow, but it did hurt. And I'm pretty thick-skinned, overall. It was symbolic of the relationships at the time. My kids are not as close with their cousins as I am with mine, even though there was more time and distance among my cousins.
    by tryphena at 04/21/16 4:44PM
  • tryphena
    Justpeachy Interesting about what you called your grandparents and your aunts' perception of that. Makes me wonder about your mother's relationship with her sisters. I love that your children called her Momma Honey (which I find very sweet, myself). Hmmmm...I'm trying on "MamaNita" for size.

    I imagine that my girls and their husbands will be able to agree on what to call me. I don't particularly care what the name is, but I would like for them to all call me the same thing.
    by tryphena at 04/21/16 4:52PM
  • nchantment4u
    We called my Grandparents grandma and grandpa. I'm not a big fan of the nicknames, but if the kids started calling me something on their own that would be fine by me. My kids called both sides of the family grandma and grandpa, but my nieces and nephews called my grandfather Papa, and Mike's family calls the father of the family Papa. So Mike's brother was Papa to his kids. After a while it all gets sorted out or it gets really confusing.
    by nchantment4u at 04/21/16 9:00PM
  • Justpassinthru
    Caroline asked what we wanted to be called. Her sister had already had kids so they called her mom Grandmammy and her Stepmom, Grams. I just settled for Gramma so the kids wouldn't get confused on who was being spoken of. Ken goes by Papaw or Grampa, just whichever Carter decides to use.
    by Justpassinthru at 04/21/16 9:01PM
  • justg
    Mark and I are lovingly called ... Poppy and G. Sometimes, I'm called Gz (as in geezee) I adore being called G or Gz. I wanted something simple, snappy and easy for the babies to say!
    I called my grandparents: Grandmommie and grandaddy. I love both of those. On the paternal side: Gammy and Papaw.
    Oldest grandchild pretty much sets the names...I'm in favor of all of the grands calling the grandparents the same name. It's something the grandchildren will have in common. :)
    by justg at 04/22/16 6:49AM
  • tryphena
    Nchantment4u: So, if you're not a big fan of nicknames, does that mean that you'd prefer Grandma? There is NOTHING wrong with that--my grandmas were beloved. Being called Grandma and Grandpa (whether as a proper name or a general designation) allows a person to "sorted" or defined in society and in a family. No one has to ask what that means, because everyone knows. "Mimi" or "Nana" are a little more ambiguous. "Geepoo" is pretty much off-the-charts and becomes the person rather than the position. It's going to be so much fun to share ALL of my grandchildren with you, whatever they call us :-D

    Justg I do like the idea of "easy for the babies to say," but I don't mind limiting the earliest babble to Mama and Dada, and wait for the more interesting things that come as they really learn to talk and think independently. I want to see what they do with whatever is decided see if it morphs into something completely different. Whatever I end up with will be music to my ears.
    by tryphena at 04/22/16 8:17AM
  • simon_says
    My maternal great grandmother was called Marmie by all of my cousins. My dad felt that it was too close to a name for a mother, and she was NOT our mother. So, my sister and I called her Grandma J (her last name was Jarret). My maternal grandmother was called Nanny by all of my cousins. Again, my dad felt that it was too close to a name for a mother, and she was NOT our mother. So, we called her Grandma. My paternal grandfather is Grandpa to us and all of my cousins. All of our kids call him Grandpa Hatch (his last name).

    My paternal grandmother was called Mamaw (first a is like the a in apple). Her mother was called Big Mamaw by all of her grandkids, so it was tradition, I guess. All of my cousins are 10-25 years older than I, so Mamaw had gone by that for many, many years. I guess Dad didn't think Mamaw was too close to a name for a mother. Ha! My paternal grandfather went by Grandpa Owens (his last name). He died when I very little so I'm not sure I ever called him anything. Mamaw's second husband's first name was Mack. So, that's what all of us called him.

    My mom wanted to be Granma. My dad wanted to be Granddad. So, that's what they were/are called.

    In my husband's family, the tradition is that the grandmother is called Maw-Maw (pronounced in a Creole way with a back of the throat emphasis on the first 'maw' and longer emphasis on the second 'maw') and the grandfather is Paw-Paw (pronounced the same Creole way). Joshua's generation called their paternal grandmother Maw-Maw Maine (her first name was Germaine). (Don't get me started on their system of names for godmothers and godfathers. How everyone can keep it all straight is beyond me.)

    My mother in law did NOT want to be called Maw-Maw because she was too young for all that. So, she's Nana. My father in law didn't want to be a Paw-Paw since MIL didn't want to be a Maw-Maw. He's called Pappy (which I despise).

    Half of the kids at the congregation we're a part of are the grandkids of one couple. They go by G-pa and Zuzu. So, that's what all the kids call them, including mine.
    by simon_says at 04/22/16 8:33AM
  • cyber_space_cadet
    My parents kind-of preferred Grandmom and Granddad/Grandpop ... until the first grandchild came along and dubbed them Mom Mom and Pop Pop, their hearts melted, and that was then end of that. :) Honestly, my folks had/have SO many grandchildren, great-grandchildren, and great-greats that they have been called Mom Mom and Pop Pop, Grandmom and Grandpop, Gramma and Granddad, and maybe others I'm forgetting. Mostly, though, Mom Mom and Pop Pop stuck and my folks grew to love their monikers more and more over the years.

    When Ash and Sam were married they asked Maddie what she would like to call me. When she found out that Ashley called my mother Mom Mom, Maddie just LOVED it and I was Mom Mom from that moment on. There are SO many reasons why I feel honored by my moniker, and I can't tell you how touched I am every time Maddie calls me by that name.
    by cyber_space_cadet at 04/22/16 8:34AM
  • nchantment4u
    Mike broke the talus bone which could have been really bad, but it was not. The bone does not typically get a lot of blood flow and it can die and need to be replaced, but thankfully God spared him that. (Or spared me that!)

    Yes, we should catch up!
    by nchantment4u at 04/22/16 10:25AM
  • kamille
    I have no grandchildren; not yet anyway. I guess I would be called granna or grandma. I called my grandparents Mamaw/ Papaw J. & the other side Mamaw/Papaw K. I don't care for granny, mimi, Memaw, Nana, etc.
    by kamille at 04/26/16 2:54PM


From a website I frequent, The IP address to the article, which I have copied in full below:

by Daniel Lattier - March 16, 2016

Those of you who have seen Glengarry Glen Ross likely know the sales motto “A.B.C.”: “Always Be Closing.”

But the secret to happiness may very well be “A.B.G.”: “Always Be Growing.” As Gregory of Nyssa (c.335-395 A.D.) argued in the 4th century, happiness for men and women consisted not in resting on one’s laurels but in making constant, never-ending progress.

Gregory used the Greek term “epektasis” (“striving,” from Phil 3:13) to refer to this idea of perpetual progress. He most famously describes it in his Life of Moses, where he uses the prophet Moses as an example of someone who devoted himself to epektasis—who “at no time stopped in his ascent, nor did he set a limit for himself in his upward course.” He recommended that men and women do likewise, to “never cease straining toward those things that are still to come.”

Gregory believed that man’s ultimate purpose was to grow in participation in the divine. Since God was an infinite being and man was finite, he reasoned that man could never reach a point where he fully participated in God, hence the need for the concept of epektasis.

And since men and women would not magically become infinite after death, Gregory even hypothesized that their constant progress would continue for eternity in heaven—which sounds like a much less static description of the afterlife than that usually offered by Christians and others.

This idea that man is called to make perpetual progress might at first seem to contradict the classical maxim that desire longs for fulfillment and possession of its object. But Gregory counters with the seemingly paradoxical statement that man is only satisfied “by the very things which leave his desire unsatisfied.”

Human experience tells us that Gregory may be closer to the truth. All of us know well the feeling of longing to possess or achieve something, only to become disinterested in it soon after our goal has been reached. It is not the fleeting that we ultimately long for; rather, as Nietzsche famously wrote, we desire “eternity… deep, deep eternity.”

These days there is much pressure to put in one’s work in the earlier years so that one can simply sit back and “enjoy” retirement. But though the nature of one’s employment may change, the need to “work”—to grow in learning and virtue—should never end. Indeed, we should fear the day it does come to an end, for as Thomas Scott reminds us, “Growth is the only evidence of life.”
  • tryphena
    This (Intellectual Takeout) is a go-to website for me when I'm on the exercise bike. The articles are concise, well-written, and even-handed, as far as viewpoint is concerned. They seem to release several articles every few days. I don't know much about the contributors, but they are thinkers.
    by tryphena at 03/16/16 8:17PM
  • kailua
    Ed and I strove and strained to get dressed and go get a bit of groceries.

    We did not get much but I could not last and had to sit on a bench in the store.

    I was useless in carrying even one bag into the house but hey - at least I got out. :-)

    by kailua at 03/16/16 10:15PM
  • sjean
    There is a lot to that deep thinking.
    by sjean at 03/17/16 2:51PM
  • justpeachy
    Balance in everything is important. In our spiritual life, if we aren't growing we are stagnant and lukewarm. I find I do better if I am studying and striving to do better. It may be that when I am striving to do better I recognize the beam in my own eyes. Boredom seems to lead to discontent in my life.
    by justpeachy at 03/18/16 10:59AM