Who will still be Obama's friend when this health care mess finally ends?

at 08/19/09 5:34PM
"DARTMOUTH, Mass. – Rep. Barney Frank lashed out at protester who held a poster depicting President Barack Obama with a Hitler-style mustache during a heated town hall meeting on federal health care reform.

"On what planet do you spend most of your time?" Frank asked the woman, who had stepped up to the podium at a southeastern Massachusetts senior center to ask why Frank supports what she called a Nazi policy.

"Ma'am, trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table. I have no interest in doing it," Frank replied.

He continued by saying her ability to deface an image of the president and express her views "is a tribute to the First Amendment that this kind of vile, contemptible nonsense is so freely propagated."

Frank, who chairs the House Financial Services Committee, sought to assure more than 500 people attending the rowdy meeting that the average taxpayer wouldn't be hurt by plans currently under consideration in Congress.

Some of those attending the meeting organized by the Democratic Town Committee of Dartmouth shouted and booed as Frank and others addressed the crowd.

At one point, Frank asked the crowd: "Which one of you wants to yell next?"

Several people wanted to know how the government would pay for the reforms without worsening a growing federal budget deficit.

At least two dozen protesters gathered in small groups outside, handing out pamphlets and holding signs criticizing the overhaul, Obama and Frank. Some of the posters read: "It's the economy stupid, stop the spending" and "Healthcare reform yes, government takeover, no. Tort Reform Now"

Audrey Steele, 82, from New Bedford, said she does not want the government to get involved with health care because "they just make a mess of everything," referring to the $700 billion bailout of financial institutions that was used to pay for lavish conferences and hefty executive compensation.

Others at Tuesday's meeting were more supportive of reform.

Dr. Sheila Leavitt, a physician from Newton, said she hoped for changes that would support primary care physicians who aren't paid as much as specialists. She said some of the rowdy critics at Tuesday's meeting appeared to be using the same "talking points" as those who showed up at similar meetings around the country."
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All I can do is laugh at this stuff. Notice how the event was put together by the democrat party, and still their was rowdy protest. I guess they will have to start "stacking the deck" again to ensure those town hall meetings portray the message they want them too. This was in Mass. too, one of the most liberal states in our nation. They keep assuring us that the average tax payer wont' be hurt by the plan. The problem is, conservatives know what that means. Higher taxes on the rich, who are the ones who provide jobs, and business in our country. You take more of their money and it hurts business, which in turn takes away jobs, or lowers pay. Therefore, economically speaking this hurts everyone. People are finally figuring this out, and "hope and change" isn't sounding so good anymore.

Will all of Obama's political buddies starting stabbing him in the back (figuratively) when the heat keeps coming on them for these policies? I guess Obama will figure out who his friends really are.
  • vetter
    On CNN today they were talking about how the Democrats were discussing doing the healthcare plan without the Republicans, like the stimulus was done. I think we're fighting a losing battle. Obama and his minions are oblivious to the wants and needs of this nation. It's disgusting.
    by vetter at 08/19/09 10:26PM
  • tnerbydoom
    I hope they go ahead and do it by themselves. If It is going to happen, I would love for it to take place with no conservative support whatsoever. Then when it goes bad, which it will. There will be no one to blame but those responsible. Although we all know they will still spin it to blame others later. But at least we can dream.
    by tnerbydoom at 08/21/09 2:29AM
  • jifennerh
    Have you had any experience talking to mormans? There's a morman guy at school that I'm meeting with on friday and I was wondering if you had any suggestions. I talked to him last friday too, and he enjoyed it and is willing to talk some more. I'd appreciate anything you might be able to tell me.
    by jifennerh at 09/30/09 5:23PM
  • jifennerh
    Thanks Brent!! Grandpa found a letter on the internet written to a Morman family after the guy spent months studying it and comparing it to the Bible. I just glanced over it cause it's 26 pages long and I haven't had time to check everything yet, but I'm sure that it will help me out. He had good motivation to really study it to see if it was true because he wanted to marry their daughter. If you want to see it here's the URL.

    http://ldolphin.org/justin.html
    by jifennerh at 10/05/09 5:40PM
  • jifennerh
    Btw, what year was the Doctrines and Covenants (or was it Pearl of Great Price) that you used printed? The verse about Joseph Smith where God told him that none of the churches were teaching the truth is different in the copy my dad has. They took the part out about where it had never occured to him that all of them could be wrong.
    by jifennerh at 10/05/09 5:44PM

Article By A Christian About The New Health Bill

at 08/12/09 3:11PM
I Read The Bill

by Tom Wacaster



I have listened with great interest and concern to the “pros” and “cons” of the impending health bill that has been drawn up by the House of Representatives. Few, if any, of our representatives have actually read the bill in its entirety. In contrast a growing number of concerned citizens have taken the time to download and examine this piece of legislation in detail. I downloaded HR3200, and have spent a total of slightly more than ten hours reading the bill, page by page, and line by line. I can confidently say that I have read the bill. Having said that, there are some observations I want to make relative to a “political coup” that is presently underway in the very halls of our Congress.



Before addressing what is actually IN the bill, I want to address a mistake that many are making relative to an honest, but mislead attempt to discredit this bill. The internet is a source of much “misinformation.” I have received emails saying that the bill will demand abortion if a family has more than two children and the wife becomes pregnant – a scenario similar to China’s forced abortion laws. Another email has stated that this bill includes a provision whereby teen age girls will be injected with some kind of a sterility pill and removed later in adult life only when she agrees to the government’s law concerning birth, child rearing, etc. I have read of no such provisions in HR3200. All such emails that misrepresent HR3200 only make our attempt to discredit this bill look foolish, and makes honest and concerned individuals appear to be ill-informed at best, and radicals at worst. There is enough in this bill to discredit it based on its own “merits” (I use that word to refer to provisions within the bill that make it a horrible piece of legislation).



One more note and then I’ll share with you just two or three reasons why every child of God, and citizen of these United States should do all within their power to defeat this bill, and anything like it. I think it important to make a distinction between what this Bill SAYS and what it implies; or in other words, what the Bill states in so many words vs. the authority within those words to enact provisions that are contrary to the very foundation of this country, and which would place in position the means by which the Government could run roughshod over the principles and precepts contained in God’s word. If this were purely a health bill, addressing a reform of our health system, I would never have taken the time to read it in such detail. But in my estimation it is a coordinated effort to infringe upon our God-given rights and responsibilities. Consider if you will the following.



First, there is the issue of respect for life, whether at conception, or in the closing days of one’s life. I am speaking of abortion and euthanasia. Keep in mind that what is “implied” in this Bill is just as important as what the Bill specifically says. On page 230, Lines 8-19 the Bill states:



IN GENERAL.—The Secretary of Health and Human Services shall analyze payments for non-therapy ancillary services under a future skilled nursing facility classification system to ensure the accuracy of payment for non-therapy ancillary services. Such analysis shall consider use of appropriate indicators which may include age, physical and mental status, ability to perform activities of daily living, prior nursing home stay, broad RUG category, and a proxy for length of stay.



The language gives the Government of the United States the authority to determine whether payment should be made to extend the life of someone who may have reached a predetermined age, physical state, or mental status that the Government deems too costly for treatment. While the Bill does NOT say that anyone past a certain age will NOT be given adequate treatment, it implies it in this provision in the Bill. Once this provision becomes a part of law, it is only a matter of time for the next small incremental step to be taken whereby the Government decides who shall live, or who shall die.



The other end of the life cycle is also under attack in this Bill. There are two provisions in this Bill that should concern every God-fearing citizen of our country. The first has to do with the Government’s authority to regulate pregnancies. Page 767, Lines 21-24, and continued on page 768, lines 1-5 read as follows:



The term ‘nurse home visitation services’ means home visits by trained nurses to families with a first-time pregnant woman, or a child (under 2 years of age) who is eligible for medical assistance under this title…to the extent determined by the Secretary based upon evidence, that such services are effective in one or more of the following: ‘‘(1) Improving maternal or child health and pregnancy outcomes or increasing birth intervals between pregnancies.”



This provision grants the Government “as determined by the Secretary” the power to come into your home and evaluate the means by which they might improve the maternal or child health, with specific reference to the “outcomes” (note the plural language here) and/or intervals between pregnancies. Please note the language carefully. The only legitimate, God-authorized “outcome” of a pregnancy is BIRTH. The only other outcome would be abortion. In addition, the Government is going to tell the God-fearing family when they can or cannot have children. And, with any other Government “Bill”or “Law” there will be penalties attached to the disregard for those laws.



But there is more in this Bill to support and promote abortion. On page 783, Line 7 provisions are made for the Government financing of “free birth center services.” The words are carefully chosen so as to make one think that we are talking about hospitals where provisions are made for births to take place. But watch carefully the language in the lines to follow – and please note the possible interpretation of that provision if so deemed appropriate by the Government. I have placed my interpretation of these possibilities in brackets:



The term ‘freestanding birth center services’ means services furnished to an individual at a freestanding birth center [i.e. abortion clinics, TW] (as defined in subparagraph (B)), including by a licensed birth attendant [abortionist, TW] (as defined in subparagraph (C)) at such center. ‘‘(B) The term ‘freestanding birth center’ means a health facility— ‘‘(i) that is not [emphasis mine, TW] a hospital; and ‘‘(ii) where childbirth is planned to occur away from the pregnant woman’s residence [a teenagers doctor or parents, TW]…The term ‘licensed birth attendant’ means an individual who is licensed or registered by the State involved to provide health care [abortions, even to late term, TW] at childbirth and who provides such care within the scope of practice under which the individual is legally authorized [by Roe Vs. Wade Supreme Court decision in 1973, TW] to perform such care [abortions, TW] under State law (or the State regulatory mechanism provided by State law), regardless of whether the individual is under the supervision of, or associated with, a physician or other health care provider [the patients regular doctor or parents, TW].



There is one more provision in HR3200 that should concern us, especially those of us who are attempting to raise our children in a Godly manner. On page 837, Lines 1-5 we are introduced to Sec. 1903: GRANTS TO STATES FOR QUALITY HOME VISITATION PROGRAMS FOR FAMILIES WITH YOUNG CHILDREN AND FAMILIES EXPECTING CHILDREN. On the same page, Lines 13-17 we have the following provision:



PURPOSE.—The purpose of this section is to improve the well-being, health, and development of children by enabling the establishment and expansion of high quality programs providing voluntary home visitation for families with young children and families expecting children



In other words, HR3200 gives the Government the authority to come into your home and tell you how to raise your children. Interpreted, the “well being” of your child includes indoctrination in evolutionary thinking, humanism, and Godless indoctrination.



Should HR3200 pass the House and Senate, every child of God is going to find himself at odds, once again, with an ever encroaching Government that is determined to undermine every attempt on your part to live a Godly life. There are a number of other reasons why I simply cannot support this Bill, but in this article I am concerned about the impact it is going to have on our service to God. Take action; be informed. By Tom Wacaster P.O. Box 283 Talco, Texas 75487 903-427-0212
  • tnerbydoom
    The outright disrespect for life is mind-numbing. I thought it was interesting that Representatives that support this garbage are trying to say that the town hall meetings are not representative of the American people's view toward the bill. I thought the purpose of these meetings was to hear the people? I guess it is just to tell us what we are getting, and calling any one who disagrees a "disruptor." Steve Cohen said the US is behind much of the world in Health Care, based on what who's standards? I just got back from Romania. A poor man in one of the villages couldn't even use his arm, and needed surgery on his shoulder. Unfortunately their national health care isn't so great after all, and he couldn't get any care. He is going to have to pay a doctor $500 in order to be seen. This new health care plan is supposedly to protect the poor. Unfortunately, the poor are going to be the ones who can't pay doctors under the table in order to get the care they need. The poor aren't going to be able to pay for supplemental health plans that actually provide good care beyond that supplied by the national health system. What Cohen and others don't tell you is that many of these places in Europe have such supplemental plans so that those with money get decent care. Finally, I have heard all these complaints about Nazi symbols being painted on the doors of lawmakers. It is made to sound as if the people drawing the symbols are the Nazis, but I have a feeling those drawing the symbols have a different idea in mind. I think they are comparing our lawmakers to the Nazis. I guess when legislation begins making way for choosing who is worth letting die, and who is worth saving, it isn't too far from Hitler's concepts after all.
    by tnerbydoom at 08/12/09 3:23PM
  • cmvermont
    yeah. what he said. (he's certainly read more of it than i have!)
    by cmvermont at 08/12/09 4:58PM
  • tnerbydoom
    I can't believe he read the whole thing, not even our politicians do that. I wouldn't be surprised if some reps haven't read an entire bill for their last term, or last two or three terms even.
    by tnerbydoom at 08/12/09 6:06PM
  • ed
    I haven't read the bill, and don't plan to. But I must say that for a man who admirably stated early on that we should avoid alarmist accusations, it seems he's making more than a few.

    His whole thing about the government coming into our homes, sounds pretty ridiculous to me. Here in Aus. they have similar programs that have been in place for years.

    When we had Matilda, a nurse came to our home every 2 days for the first week we were home. It was not an invasive procedure with armed guards storming our castle! It was a nurse coming to the house, checking Laine's stitches, checking Tilly's weight and progress, talking to us about how she was going with feeding, talking to me about ideas for child-proofing our home. Laine and I actually said to each other that it would be great if the US had more supportive systems like that. I think many Christians take for granted that they have an excellent support system around them, but many people don't have that.

    People act like it will be the end of their civil liberties and maybe even life itself if the US nationalizes healthcare. Just seems a bit extreme to me. I have never been an advocate of big government, and I'm not necessarily in support of this bill that I know nothing about, but from my personal experience, some of the points he makes are alarmist and silly.

    by ed at 08/12/09 8:01PM
  • jimmythek
    This is very alarming! Even worse have you seen this video on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAOBlqUqUZ8

    This video has nothing to do with healthcare but if the above thinks that is alarmist and silly...watch this video. The government is taking control of your internet everytime you log into this site...do you find that silly? If you or I tried doing anything of the such we would be sued for INVASION OF PRIVACY. Most everyone wanted this gr8(note sarcasm) President in office and got what they deserved...in some ways! It is NOT my generation that I worry about it is the generation after us that is paying for all of this RUCKUS. This is SOCIALISM at work. I still wished Texas would succeed from the nation. I have to agree with what one of my best friends said though...if this health care bill passes it will be the demise of the democratic party.
    by jimmythek at 08/13/09 8:30AM
  • kon_tiki
    I have no idea what the values are of the Australian govt but I think a couple of things need to be remembered with respect to the points in this Bill. One, the people writing clearly have a secular progressive background and that will drive the implementation of these home visits and other services. Secondly, Tom didn't mention it but in that section about home visits pg 838ff (which I did read for myself) it is targeted at certain demographics, low income - troubled neighborhoods. Could it be that you, Ed, received a certain kind of care based on your age and perceived education / wealth status by the home visitor that a single black mother in the projects would not receive? I doubt a health care worker is going to march into our house and recommend us have an abortion (unless the kids has Downs, of course) but is it really that far fetched to think they would promote that to a 16 yr old?
    by kon_tiki at 08/13/09 10:05AM
  • kon_tiki
    Let me also say that Bill states everything in lofty terms - it speaks of high quality home visits. That sounds just like Govt to assume everything is just going to work perfectly. But will happen 10 yrs from now when the FED budget is even more off the charts than it is now and people are starting to see the effects of rationed care. Could it be that all these "noble provisions" about home visits and end-of-life consultations will take a sinister turn? A FED program that "works" in a nation of 21 million (Australia) will in no way predict what will happen in a nation of 300 million.
    by kon_tiki at 08/13/09 10:10AM
  • kon_tiki
    ...and one more thing. The provision about home care visits is done on a State level; meaning the State is responsible for it but it gets funding from FEDs. So the State must continually present data to FEDs about the "success" of the program. To me that means they aren't waiting for you to call them to show up, these people want to keep their jobs, so they will be knocking on doors. While they will disseminate good info to some people, once again look at who the target audience is in the Bill and take a guess at what types of messages they will bring these people.
    by kon_tiki at 08/13/09 10:15AM
  • gemma
    How is Chelsea doing? =)
    by gemma at 08/13/09 2:47PM
  • ktjomoody
    The real issue to me is, do you have the option to have a nurse come into your home. If there is no option, then it is an invasion of privacy. Further, you never know who you are going to get, and what kind of authority they have. What if you had a nurse that pushed getting every vaccination before two years old. We have done lots of research and decided it is not necessary and we do not want to do that. We should have the right to decide when and what vaccinations our child receives. I don't want some nurse who doesn't care anymore about my child than the 50 other children she is seeing, and is being prompted by gov't regulations to push certain decisions to be demanding I do anything. We have gone to the health care centers and they already do this. We have had to be very forceful in the fact that we only want the Polio or DTaP,etc vaccine. If they have power to override that decision in any way or form in regards to any health matter, it is a sad day for our country when this bill passes.
    by ktjomoody at 08/15/09 12:57AM
  • robbio
    I think TW's interpretation of page 738 is a bit of a stretch. Take the brackets out and I don't read it that way at all.

    Nor am I especially concerned about the home visitation stuff because a) it SAYS 'voluntary' and b) they'd have to get through the front door first.

    I applaud the note at the beginning to ignore the wild speculation that is flowing around the internet, but I really don't feel that much better about this article. I object to this legislation on the principle that it establishes a federal system of health care and insurance that the constitution does not authorize and the founders never dreamed of. If it is to be defeated, it will be defeated on those grounds, not emotional and certainly not religious grounds. The end-of-life stuff is disgusting, but it is indicative of the desperate lengths to which progressives are willing to go to make this square peg of socialism fit in the round hole of this Republic's budget not some sort of vast and mysterious attack against life. The degradation of life is the byproduct of (and cost of), not the objective of, socialism and communism.
    by robbio at 08/15/09 10:30AM
  • tnerbydoom
    Yes, it will begin by being voluntary. But when they deem the program a success, who says it won't suddenly become required. I think what the author is saying is that everyone knows that this is direction it will head. It is what they eventually want, but they know they cannot begin there.
    by tnerbydoom at 08/18/09 9:22PM
  • tnerbydoom
    BTW, I think the bracket stuff is a stretch as well. He is merely giving his opinion of what it allows for. I don't necessarily agree with all of those. But I do think he is correct that the purpose of this bill is to open the door for further legislation. This is not meant to be the end of the matter.
    by tnerbydoom at 08/18/09 9:23PM

Lifting Weights

at 06/30/09 1:04AM
Lifted weights for the first time since college.

I have been doing a lot of running with one of my friends. We have been running 3.5-4.5 miles once or twice a week. It turns out he is a big lifter too. He definitely pushed me today, just like he does when we run. When we finished my arms were more tired than they ever have been in my life. I'm pretty sure i'll be sore in the morning.

The most impressive part was him bench pressing two 80lbs dumbbells (one in each hand) for multiple sets (at least 5 sets of 10-12). He did it inclined, declined, and on the level bench. That was on top of doing other sets with 60lbs. He only weighs 165lbs himself.

  • tnerbydoom
    Wow, the new pleonast, looks pretty nice.
    by tnerbydoom at 07/01/09 4:28PM
  • matthewdickey
    going good. Things have calmed down since Blake passed away, as far as plans and things related to that. We are doing good and getting ready for a vacation to Oregon in a few weeks. I am a counselor at OR camp this year while we are there. It should be fun! Kaitlen Reagan is one of the FC friends there so that will be cool. We are headed to services so I'm out. Later...-Matt-
    by matthewdickey at 07/01/09 10:16PM

North Korea

at 05/28/09 11:46AM
They seem really worried by our threats!

Reminds me of some parenting styles I have seen. "Stop, or I'll tell you to stop again....I'm going to spank you....1,2.3,4,5...Stop that. If you do it one more time that is it...1,2,3,4."

Maybe Russia will do something about it. If not the UN can write a bunch of "resolutions" that no one will follow anyway.

Obama will not rest until he sees health care reform

at 05/11/09 3:49PM
Unfortunately, I kind of wish he would rest. His promise is not very comforting to me. I just hope the dems lose power in congress before anything too horrible happens, and then nothing is able to happen after that. In my opinion, this would be the best case scenario at this point.