Looking for a place to preach...

Currently, I'm employeed at Calhoun Community College in Huntsville, AL. My wife Karen and I live in Athens, AL. We currently attend services at Elgin Hills Church of Christ near Rogersville, AL.

I'm 22 years old. I have been through a summer of preacher training at Northfield Boulevard Church of Christ in Murfreesboro, TN where Brother David Bunting is the full-time evangelist.

I have preached at a good long list of congregations in the Southeast, but I have not been able to find a place to work regularly in the Athens, AL area.

I'm not looking for a place to preach full-time necessarily. I would prefer to work with another preacher and the elders at continuing to develop as a preacher and help increasing my knowledge of the scriptures.

I'm not a great speaker. I don't think I have a whole lot of talent. What I do have is the desire to develop, grow, and become a good worker for God's kingdom.

I wouldn't require much support, if any at all. My job pays most of our bills, but that will not last forever as my student loan payments will begin after I finish my MBA.

I feel like I have a responsibility to teach people the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I believe that Christ's church is the only path to heaven, and that the New Testament is our guide for that church.

Again, I'm not necessarily looking for a place to be the full-time evangelist...not that I wouldn't consider it if a congregation felt I could handle it. I would really enjoy working with another preacher, even for a short time, while being given opportunities to develop my ability by teaching classes, preaching, and private studies.

If anyone knows of any opportunities or is interested in directing me to someone that could help, I'd appreciate it. I started out strong with my goal to preach a few years ago, and since then have let that die down. I'm motivated to serve in that capacity once again.

You can contact me @ kdmarkum@pclnet.net or (615)663-7385.
  • jroberson
    hey man west rogerville is looking for someone..
    by jroberson at 05/06/09 4:41PM
  • austinator
    Thanks. You interested in the dynasty football league again...
    by austinator at 06/11/09 8:12PM
  • jroberson
    hey man, I'm sorry I didn't get back to you. We've been really tied up this past 2 or 3 weeks. Joel Holt will be there till September, so He has extended his time there for a while. I'm not sure if they are still presuing someone or not. He is trying to raise support to go to Puerto Rico. His email address is holtzter@gmail.com
    Have you spoke to any other congergations?
    by jroberson at 06/13/09 9:58AM
  • austinator
    You'll be inheriting a team from last year, but there are some good teams availble
    by austinator at 06/13/09 10:16AM
  • snickers63
    no - it is more like an allergy - runny nose, congestion, then very quickly major sinus infection with high fevers
    by snickers63 at 06/24/09 10:46PM
  • snickers63
    she will drink just about any kind of "milk" we have tried fine... it's not the taste for her at all.
    by snickers63 at 06/24/09 10:46PM

One Heaven and Many Paths to it.

I considered the denominational approach to that theory above and that is that we're all on the way to heaven, we are just taking different routes.

My question is...if you can get there anyway you want...why did you choose the path you did?

Why is it Baptists and Mathodists debate over infant baptism...but still both are destined for heaven?

Why do other denominations fight over issues of instrumental music, the necessity of baptism, the use of the church building, etc., but yet eventually they are all destined for heaven.

If we are all headed to heaven anyways, why not just let everyone do what they want? Why do denominations debate with each other? If we are all headed to heaven, we are all right!

If that is the case, why meet every Sunday? Why take the Lord's Supper? Why give money? Why don't we just get together, have a party, play games, and not even mention God's name?

Ask that sometime, more than like they will say, well the Bible says to worship God on the first day of the week. Aha! If we do something because the Bible says...why shouldn't we all do all of what the Bible says?

Ponder that and leave a comment.
  • kevin
    I agree with you on one level. We are required to do what the Bible says. But if we think that we are going to make it to heaven BECAUSE we did what the Bible says, we are sorely mistaken. While we should never take the attitude of "all we have to do is try" I think this really is the reality. We aren't going to get everything right, and even if we did, we cannot "earn" our salvation by being correct. That said, we should NEVER take the attitude that "all I have to do is try and I'll be ok." This will keep us from growing and stiving to truly follow God. So I think a lot of these groups have the feeling that their way is the "right way" but just being "right" isn't going to get any of us to heaven. I KNOW I don't do everything right. I also don't know how much God is going to forgive and for that reason I will give my all to try and be pleasing to him. I do know that God's grace is beyond my comprehension so that is why I am hesitant to make blanket statements/assumptions that a certain practice will make this group of people "lost." I may believe they are in error, but I also recognize my own error. It doesn't mean I won't continue to preach what I believe is the truth, but I can never get so confident that "I have the truth and I am going to be saved because of it. I just wish these other groups would come to know MY truth."

    I pondered and left a comment :)
    by kevin at 02/19/09 8:29AM
  • thepianoman12
    Interesting. I like your point about us alone being able to earn our salvation. I guess my focus is more on the theory that there are many options when it comes to serving the Lord, (ex. sprinkling vs. immersion). You took it deeper than intended, but still a good comment.
    by thepianoman12 at 02/19/09 2:06PM
  • kevin
    I understand what you are saying now. I do agree with you that we can't take the attitude of "we're all going to be there and we're just taking different paths" in regards to WIDELY different practices. It's just that whenever I hear that argument refuted, it's followed quickly by the attitude that "all the other paths are wrong and my path is right." I'm in no way of accusing you of saying that. It's just that some of us in the CoC tend to view those who we view to be on "wrong paths" as having the attitude that "any way is ok." I just don't think many people think any old way is acceptable. They may not be open in their opposition, but I truly think most people are trying to look at the Bible and do what it says (just like "we" say we are trying to do as well).

    Now I will agree that there are some pretty obvious actions that seem to be strict deviations from what we read in the Bible (sprinkling vs. immersion, or necessity of baptism for example) and I think the justification for such a practice is NOT founded on the bible. However I do recognize that there are other issues (instrumental music, use of the church building, etc.) where people may believe differently than the traditional beliefs of the CoC. However, I am a little hesitant to include them in the same group as having the attitude of "it doesn't matter which way we do it." I just think many times we automatically assume that those who differ with our beliefs have an "obvious" lack of respect for biblical authority. They may still be wrong, but I don't think they believe the way they do simply because they don't care. Does that make sense?
    by kevin at 02/19/09 2:33PM
  • thepianoman12
    "I just don't think many people think any old way is acceptable."
    by thepianoman12 at 02/19/09 3:42PM
  • thepianoman12
    I've heard just the opposite from members of denominations...they'll talk about how a practice done by another denomination is wrong and not according to the scriptures...but then say...it's ok, we're all going to the same place ultimately. My problem is more connected with the idea that people hate the church of Christ, because "we think we're the only ones going to heaven". That is said in the context of one's choice of a particular type of worship based on opinions...as if to say...we can do it how we want to..and don't tell us we're not going to heaven.
    by thepianoman12 at 02/19/09 3:44PM
  • thepianoman12
    Do I think if you go to a church with the name "church of Christ" on the sign, you're going to heaven...no way. The name on the sign isn't what matters... I think we'd agree. The point is what is the name of the person we follow...and are we following Him in the way that he prescribed. You can't claim to be following Christ and do it anyway you choose to do it.
    by thepianoman12 at 02/19/09 3:46PM
  • kevin
    I guess for me, it comes down to trying to realize that I am human and get things wrong sometimes. Based on how many times I have changed "positions" (and how many times I have seen others change) on issues that many would consider to be "matters of salvation" I try not to be too harsh on my judgement of others on similiar issues. You said "are we following him in the way that he prescribed?" That is the crux of the matter. Most in the CoC think that they are the only ones who are following him "in the way that he prescribed." But there are others outside the CoC who think the exact same thing. Again, it comes back to an interpretation of Scripture. On some issues I think there is very little room for interpretation, I think the matter is very clear. But again, I have seen too many people (even the CoC in general) change their opinion about such matters to be absolutely confident that I have everything right. It doesn't mean that I won't make decisions on what I believe or that I won't try and teach others if I believe they are wrong, but I am not absoultely confident in my understanding. But I take great comfort in knowing that ONLY by the grace of God am I saved. So I extend that grace to others on certain issues as well.

    Now where we differ is on what issues and we all have to draw that line somewhere. For most instrumental music is an issue of salvation, but the covering, appointment/qualifications of elders, even sometimes MDR are issues that people "agree to disagree." That is, they are issues where while they may disagree with someone, they can still extend fellowship to that person, while still trying to teach them why they believe what they believe. Again, we all draw that line, but how do we decide where to draw the line? I don't have an answer to that. So I focus on myself and working out my own salvation. Personally, I will err on the side of grace on some issues with others rather than the side of "exclusion" because that is how I hope God is with me. For example, if I worship without instruments (and I see that issue as one that is difficult to draw the line on)I would rather God say, "I really didn't approve of instrumental music but you still fellowshipped with those who practice it." Rather than, "I had no issue with IM and you excluded so many people and wasted so much time on something that was not as important." In either case I hope God would forgive my ignorance/incorrect understanding of Scripture, but the former stance places me in a better position to reach out to the world/lost and also to strengthen myself by being surrounded by more Christians.

    How would you figure out how do draw the line? What "controversial" issues are you absolute on and which ones can you "agree to disagree" on?
    by kevin at 02/19/09 4:09PM
  • thepianoman12
    I guess ideally I don't like the whole concept of agreeing to disagree. I do think there are issues that men have made that aren't addressed in the scriptures...but for those covered in the NT, I would consider those to be issues we can't just agree to disagree. That's a pretty broad question though. I think I understand what you were asking.
    by thepianoman12 at 02/19/09 8:15PM
  • thepianoman12
    Example...I don't think we can agree to disagree on issues like baptism.
    by thepianoman12 at 02/19/09 8:15PM
  • thepianoman12
    On the flip side...I think we can agree to disagree on the color of the paint for the building.
    by thepianoman12 at 02/19/09 8:16PM
  • thepianoman12
    Those are the extremes...I'm avoiding "the line".
    by thepianoman12 at 02/19/09 8:16PM
  • kevin
    :) I am enjoying our discussion. Thanks for challenging me to think.
    by kevin at 02/19/09 8:49PM
  • thepianoman12
    Oh yeh man, ditto...I enjoy a good discussion for sure.
    by thepianoman12 at 02/20/09 7:59AM
  • cali_dude
    hey check out my post, I'd enjoy some thoughts
    by cali_dude at 02/23/09 7:17AM
  • frega
    Will do. :) He has been given lots of opportunities to preach lately, and he has really been very excited about them all. He is always wanting to gain more experience! :) He's got a pleonast by the way..
    by frega at 02/24/09 9:38AM

Matthew 19

I'm not sure what I think about the context of this passage.

I heard a lesson on divorce and remarriage, and the brother doing the lesson mentioned that some think Jesus was correcting the misconceptions of Deut 24 that the majority of the Jews had at the time. I found out a lot of people take that to mean this passage is referring to the Old Law and not the New Law.

I don't know what to think really. It makes some sense, but I've grown up thinking that it was applicable today.

Don't jump on me like I'm teaching this as truth, I'm just simply asking for thoughts on the topic.
  • slave_of_jesus_jdb
    Mark 10 is clearer on that point.
    by slave_of_jesus_jdb at 02/10/09 3:12PM
  • dominic
    Ditto to what Ethan and Josh said. Jesus is talking about what has always been true since the beginning. It's true today, as well.
    by dominic at 02/10/09 4:12PM
  • thepianoman12
    Josh, I thought about that position obviously, but the wording throws me off. The wording of that makes it sound more like Moses allowed it, and in reality God's position was otherwise. But again, I would hope that whatever "Moses allowed" was what God let him allow.
    by thepianoman12 at 02/10/09 4:12PM
  • thepianoman12
    Dominic, I like how you summarized that. Thanks. However, just to clarify it for me, which part is what was true since the beginning and today? That God originally made them male and female...or that divorce is only allowed for adulterous situations, or both?
    by thepianoman12 at 02/10/09 4:15PM
  • thepianoman12
    And just to make it clear, I'm not teaching anything, simply asking for my own study because until just recently I never considered it any different than how I was taught growing up.
    by thepianoman12 at 02/10/09 4:15PM
  • dominic
    That from the beginning it was meant to be one man and one woman in the life-long covenant of marriage. That like Josh said, divorce for any reason was only tolerated in the Old Covenant. Divorce for adultery would be the only exception to a life-long covenant of marriage because adultery is essentially a breaking down of that covenant by at least one party.
    by dominic at 02/10/09 4:26PM
  • dominic
    So basically, Jesus is saying that from the beginning even till today marriage is a life-long covenant between man and woman that can only be absolved when one member has given up on the covenant (adultery).
    by dominic at 02/10/09 4:27PM
  • thepianoman12
    Ok, I agree with all of you, I guess for myself I'm struggling with how we assume that this applies to the New covenant. It is reasonable, but I'm just covering all bases.
    by thepianoman12 at 02/10/09 4:29PM
  • thepianoman12
    The reason I struggle with that assumption is because the wording of that passage doesn't indicate anything future about it, only present and past. Maybe I'm just reading too much into it.
    by thepianoman12 at 02/10/09 4:30PM
  • dominic
    The reason I think it applies with the New Covenant is because Jesus is saying that this is something that has always been true since the beginning wholly apart from the Old or New Covenant. It is an institution wrapped up in creation. In other words, marriage was instituted "separate and apart" from any other covenant. So that when the old covenant passes and the new comes, the marriage covenant remains because it wasn't tied to the Old Covenant. It was its own institution in its own right that will remain until this creation no longer exists.
    by dominic at 02/10/09 4:33PM
  • dominic
    Btw, I just wanted to say that in the past either I read how you discussed incorrectly or you've changed. I am finding your demeanor, humility, and open-mindedness encouraging and instructive.
    by dominic at 02/10/09 4:34PM
  • slave_of_jesus_jdb
    You could be right. Paul does seem to think that the new covenant is superior to the old for various reasons, including that the old was delivered indirectly through angels, whereas the new isthrough God's Son (Gal 3:20ish; Heb 1:1).
    by slave_of_jesus_jdb at 02/10/09 4:54PM
  • slave_of_jesus_jdb
    The very fact that the Gospel writers chose to include Jesus' saying about marriage in their Gospels well into the new covenant age, when there were so many other things that could have been included, argues that they believed his words continued to apply in the new covenant era.
    by slave_of_jesus_jdb at 02/10/09 4:57PM
  • deusvitae
    I would add that Jesus mentioning the Kingdom in verse 12 also indicates that He certainly has these realities in mind for what will come to pass under His rule.
    by deusvitae at 02/10/09 6:52PM
  • thepianoman12
    Dominic, that comment about God's intention for marriage being wrapped up in creation actually makes the most sense of anything I've ever considered. I will study that, but man, that makes some sense.
    by thepianoman12 at 02/10/09 8:17PM
  • cali_dude
    Well, first I dont know if I cant add anything other to what Dominic or Josh have added and I agree with everything that has been said thus far. For me the issue of MDR is very interesting issue. Consider this: What if a man had never came to know the Lord until his later years. Over the years he was an alcholic, used drugs, every sin in the book, and was even married a few times before. But over the course of studying about the Bible and God he comes to become a Christian, and wants to be baptized, can he ever become a Christian because of his past marriages?
    by cali_dude at 02/10/09 11:00PM
  • cali_dude
    Some disagree with me and say that because of these past sins he cannot become a Christian, but over my personal study and some wisdom from older men of the Church I have come to the conclusion that there is a exception to the "adultry" rule, in that if someone never came to know the Lord and the Law I dont see proof that the Lord would not accept him as one of his children. Now I realize there are flaws in my ideology and we could back and forth on this subject for months.
    by cali_dude at 02/10/09 11:07PM
  • thepianoman12
    Daniel, if he was baptized later in life in an unscriptural marriage...what would he do about his marriage?
    by thepianoman12 at 02/11/09 8:47AM
  • thepianoman12
    I hate "what if's", I'm just curious.
    by thepianoman12 at 02/11/09 8:47AM
  • thepianoman12
    I guess before putting the question out there, I guess I should give what I believe is the scriptural application to the subject and that would be that he could no longer stay in the marriage. Since he is in an unscriptural marriage, it is a sinful situation. Part of coversion is a repentance of sin. I think the man would have to turn from that sinful marriage. While one is not a believer, they are no less subject to the commands of the Lord.
    by thepianoman12 at 02/11/09 8:51AM

Top 10 Reasons why Tennessee is better than Alabama:

Warning: If you are easily offended by Alabama humor, do not read any further. You have been warned!


10) In Tennessee, people drive correctly, Alabama...they confuse the sidewalk with the road and the grass with the driveways.

9) In Tennessee, a lower percentage of rednecks drive trucks 10x's the size of a regular Silverado, with 3 tires per wheel.

8) In Tennessee (Middle Tennessee), there is less of a chance that your brother is also your cousin and your uncle at the same time.

7) In Tennessee, a college football coach doesn't make as much as A-Rod and Shaquille Oneal combined.

6) In Tennessee, moonshine is only consumed with an average of .5 meals per week, while in Alabama, they have a .5 meals for every 10 oz's of moonshine drunk in a week.

5) In Tennessee, church typically begins at 6 PM as opposed to 5 PM on Sunday evenings (just kidding about this one...I kinda like it, Elgin even starts at 4)

4) In Tennessee, people know what pro football is and that players in college actually do play after graduation occassionally.

3) In Tennessee, drinking alcohol is not a sport.

2) In Tennessee there is the occassional 50-65 degree weather...in Alabama it goes from 32 to 75 in about 3 minutes.

1) In Tennessee, you don't have hear "Roll Tide" when your mascot is a stinkin elephant.


Clarification:

I like Northern Alabama...but I'm a Tennessee boy. This is only meant to be a joke, please do not call my house and threaten Smokey the hound dog.
  • southern_gal87
    i think the joke is that you still think you have a house after putting this up!
    by southern_gal87 at 02/10/09 12:50PM
  • thepianoman12
    hehe,...never had a house...only my Alabama apartment with you!!!
    by thepianoman12 at 02/10/09 12:58PM

God is in control:

As most of you know, I just recently was married in June of 2008. Karen and I both worked part time in order to make ends meet while we both were working on school, Karen her Bachelor's and me my MBA. Money was running short. I was going in debt from student loans. All in all...the situation was not fun.

I had been looking for almost a year for a full-time job. Even before I graduated with my B.S. I was looking for a 40-hr a week job...with no success. After graduation, (when theoretically people are said to line up for your employment), still couldn't find a job.

In the middle of July, I find a posting for a job I'm perfectly qualified for in the Calhoun financial aid office, near Karen's hometown of Athens, AL. I see the date that the job closed, and I realized it closed two days later. No faxes or email applications accepted...mail only.

I stayed up until about 1 AM that evening polishing my application. I then proceeded to overnight the application the next day just hoping and praying that it would make it there. I was going to cut it close.

I get home, and realized that the address I nervously wrote on the overnight package had a slight difference in the zipcode I was intending to send it to... What luck?! I prayed that somehow, someway, it would get there.

I tracked the package online (technology rocks), and nervously waited for the note to read "Package delivered to Tanner, AL" before the closing time had ended for job applications.

Thankfully, the notification appeared and my package had at least been delivered...but would the HR office check the mail in time? I called the office, and sure enough, they had my application.

Two or three weeks later, I got a call to come take a computer test for the job. I showed up to the test to find out that well over 80 people were testing for this one position. Some had MBA's and some Phd's. What was I doing here?

A month passed, no call. Another month passed, no call. Someone had to have gotten that job by now. Late October, I got a call, "Would you like to interview for the job in Calhoun's Financial Aid Office?" Wow....it hadn't been filled yet...3 months after the first test.

I've never had a "big-boy" interview before. This was an experience... A committee of 6-8 Calhoun employees, including the Director of Financial Aid all asked me questions while this huge video camera was stuck in my face. 7 minutes later, it was over. Why was it over so quick? Was I that awful?

2 weeks later, I get a call. I had been selected as a finalist for the job that had been narrowed down to 3 people. This time, I met privately with the Dean of the Business and Finance Department, and the President of the entire school. 3 minutes later, the interview was over...I didn't know how to feel about my performance either.

30 minutes later in the Athens, AL Wal-Mart, I got a call offering the position. I worked it out with my apartment complex on the phone to break my lease...but after that I called back to accept the position.

Thanksgiving week...Karen and I moved to Athens to start this chapter in our lives. I'm now finishing my MBA at the University of Northern Alabama and plan to finish my DBA afterwards. Karen is within a couple of years of finishing her Bachelor's to teach history in high school.

All that should have gone wrong, didn't. All that should have gone wrong, but somehow went right, did. God is in control. Imagine if I had seen the job a day later...it would have been too late. Imagine if they sent the letter to the wrong zipcode, I'd have missed out. God is in control...whether you can recognize it or not. I'm thankful He is.
  • jjorangeswirl
    I am glad you got the job, and that things are working out so well. And yes, i am dating Ashley Baerlin, from good ol' Huntsville.
    by jjorangeswirl at 02/04/09 11:52PM
  • southern_gal87
    it is pretty awesome to see God's hand at work in our lives...beyond awesome. even if it means you're stuck down here with all those alabama fans ;)
    by southern_gal87 at 02/05/09 2:19PM
  • slave_of_jesus_jdb
    Thanks, Kevin. Delayed reaction, just noticed your comment.
    by slave_of_jesus_jdb at 02/06/09 6:58AM
  • lightbringer
    I've got Hamilton for a prof.-for both classes. Scary....
    by lightbringer at 02/07/09 11:38AM
  • lightbringer
    That is amazing; I'm so glad you got the job!
    by lightbringer at 02/07/09 11:39AM
  • prtbone
    God is so awesome! I'm so happy for you two :)
    by prtbone at 02/09/09 7:33AM
  • austinator
    Didn't know the full story of how you got the job at Calhoun's Financial aid
    by austinator at 02/09/09 7:51AM