The Woman Question -or- Why I Sometimes Wish I Were a Man

A friend of mine believes that gender does not really have much of an impact on a person's identity and the way s/he lives his/her life. I wonder if he holds this opinion because he's a he? I'm not a feminist and I'm not harping on women's disadvantages in modern society (though doubtless there are some). I'm thinking more about how God expects women to live and behave.

We Christians talk about women a lot, from the pulpit and in studies. I'm sure all of you womenfolk have taken part in one of those Bible studies about women of the Bible. (Okay--you've probably attended more than one of those. Some of you have probably made the remark, "Why can't we study men of the Bible? I'm sure they're lives are applicable to us, too.") We've listened to many, many Mother's Day sermons and learned how women are to submit to and love their husbands and make their homes. We make sure that there are NO women preachers. To make sure no women come close to being preachers, some of us don't let them make announcements or serve at the Lord's table. I'm not necessarily speaking against these opinions--I don't make any announcements or respond to the preacher's "Good morning" or even speak in Bible class.) So, we talk about how women are to behave inside the building and inside their home.

What about the rest of the time?

What about single women? How are they supposed to behave outside of the church building? "Well, like Christians, of course," some of you might say. And I agree. But, I have a hard time believing why gender only matters to God inside the home and inside of the church building. Why would gender only matter to him in those two places, but not in the rest of the world--in the street, workplace, grocery store, or politics?

"I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet" (1 Tim. 2:12). I've been thinking about this verse a lot lately. The more I think about it, the more I realize its potential implications, the more I wonder why God gave me the talents and passions that I have if only to tell me that I can't use them because I'm a woman. (Unless I use them in a room with only women and little children.)

So sometimes I wish I were a man. As a man, I could consider all moral occupations as viable options because I wouldn't have to worry about whether or not I'd end up teaching any man or exercising authority over any man because God doesn't mind if men teach men or have authority over men. That said, the grass is always greener on the other side and the glass is always half-empty. I'm sure if I were a man, I'd probably wish I was a woman. (It does have its pluses--women are allowed to be emotional, which means my readers will probably be more patient with this blog than they would have been if I were a man. Maybe.)






"Therefore confess your sins to one another and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much." James 5:16
  • apbooklover04
    The thing is, Caroline, if you take it to that extreme of where a woman can't ever teach a man anything, anywhere, no matter what the topic, no matter the method (like writing a novel or a piece of art) then I really don't see that Priscilla could have taught Apollos at all (even when working with husband).

    God gave us our gifts for a reason; he wouldn't make it almost impossible to use them. Also, in a lot of ways, it would even hinder a wife from being a help meet to her husband. Let's say your husband wanted you to show him how to do something (let's say cook a particular item or do a particular thing on the computer), would you say "honey, I can't teach you anything"? You might say, well, he asked me to teach him so it would be okay. Well, then, if we're applying these rules equally to every situation, it would also allow you to make a comment if asked to by a Bible class teacher or to teach a history class where men have voluntarily chosen to learn from you.

    Hope what I'm saying makes sense.
    by apbooklover04 at 01/13/12 10:55AM
  • ominie
    Yikes! Well, the reason being a novelist/artist wouldn't bother me at all is because in no way are you forcing people to read/look at what you wrote/created. I don't think I'd have a problem with a man over-hearing me pray, either (say I was praying aloud one fine sunny day and he walked by) because I'm not leading anything I'm just talking to God and if he overhears me that's the same as if he overheard me teaching a Bible lesson to some children/ladies. I guess I think of Mary's prayer from Luke 1. From what I can tell, it was just her and Elizabeth together, and so neither one of them was leading a man in prayer but God included the prayer in scripture and so is it wrong for men to read it? Well, no. One might say, "Well, it's not wrong because God chose to include it." But God is a consistent God if it's wrong for men to read a woman's prayer/form of teaching, then God would not have included Mary's prayer in scripture.

    It's important that we see Scripture as a whole. Sometimes if we go by one piece of scripture alone, we'll fail at responsibilities presented by other scripture. Three verses before it reads that women are to dress "with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly", but we also know from other passages that in a husband-wife relationship, "proper clothing" is sometimes no clothing at all! (Well, it's true.)

    And in verse 8, when it says that he wants men in every place to pray, I read it, "He wants men the world over to pray" (and I'm not sure it's just talking about males, because I think that verse draws back to verse 1 when it reads, "I urge that[...]prayers[...]be made on behalf of all men[...]" In verse one, I get the impression that he's speaking to Christians as oppose to only males.

    But I don't know what I think about women teaching a secular class. If you felt strongly enough about it, you could try to get a job at a women's college (if those still exist).

    Remember - even Peter says that Paul is hard to understand (1 Peter 3:16) lol
    by ominie at 01/13/12 12:49PM
  • ominie
    OK - sorry, but I was also thinking about something else... how Paul was writing to a man whose father was unfaithful but whose mother and grandmother was faithful and we get the impression from 1 Tim 1 and later in 2 Tim that Timothy initially learned his faith from his mother and grandmother. Whether or not their teachings stopped once he become a Christian/grew up, I'm not sure, but it's suggested in 2 Tim 3:14-15 that Timothy ought to continue in the things that he has been taught since childhood (suggested to continue in his mother's teachings). I don't have a point, it's just an observation. Sorry I'm writing so much, and I'm so unorganized :-p
    by ominie at 01/13/12 1:05PM
  • spellgage
    Caroline, if you're going to argue that Amanda's argument ignores the context of the passage, I think you should note that yours does as well - that is, unless you think that your sanctification as a single woman includes bearing children. Paul is arguing from Creation principles dealing with marriage.

    Also, you ignore the broader context of the letter when you claim that "everywhere" holds the particular sense you have given it. Timothy is a letter about a young evangelist's congregational work; hence the discussion of eldership that immediately follows the passage in question. I think Paul's desire is that the men of every congregation lift up prayers for leaders, et al. By the way, one implication of your interpretation of "every place" is that praying for leaders becomes a generally masculine quality (i.e., praying for leaders is what makes men men) - at least if you're going to hold that the passage also contains general principles of femininity.

    I'm writing you more in a letter.
    by spellgage at 01/13/12 4:06PM
  • celticgirl1787
    Hopefully this doesn't sound like a cop-out but: what Alice, Emily, and Caleb said.

    I would like to point out that the lessons in the Bible are precedence for our application. They are lessons to bring us to a closer relationship with God. We need to be careful when we want to say "oh, this must be an extraordinary circumstance and therefore doesn't have application to my behavior." The only thing I can think of in the Bible that we know has been done away with, as far as having to keep it, is the Law of Moses. And we know that only because the Lord specifically says as much. Its very clear that even though that law is done away with, the concepts within carried over to the N.T. - things that were sinful then are still sinful now and things that are sinful now were sinful then. God doesn't change, nor does right and wrong in His sight. God never instructs someone to sin. That being the case, Deborah and Esther (leaders of men, appointed by God) were not sinning in having authority. Priscilla, in helping instruct a man in the Lord's Way, was not sinning. Phillip's daughters, who gave prophecy by the power of the Spirit, were not sinning.
    by celticgirl1787 at 01/13/12 7:03PM
  • celticgirl1787
    In answer to your thoughts on my second paragraph: God is logical. He is not a God of absurdity. He provides us with talents and expects us to use them to His glory. He provides us with roles to fulfill. Our logical and just God, does not give people into roles that they are not equipped to fulfill entirely and therefore fall into sin.
    A wife is given the role of being a helpmeet. That role requires her to be able to express, converse, and encourage him. That cannot be done properly without the ability to point out error or to offer wise counsel. All godly women have to be able to show their husbands what the Lord has said (the is the wisest Counsel of all). To do that she is sometimes put in the role of teaching a man "by way of reminder", to borrow a phrase from Peter.
    by celticgirl1787 at 01/13/12 7:17PM
  • celticgirl1787
    As to your role as a single woman, Paul talks to single people in 1 Cor. 7 - you might want to take a look at that. Paul acknowledges a freedom from being tied to a spouse and bound in pleasing them (a relationship that, however, offers its own types of freedoms). Single people don't have all the same responsibilities of submission as married and are therefore at more liberty to devote themselves fully to the Lord's service. I suggest that your submission role may be: obey the Lord, submit to the elders at your local congregation, obey the governing authorities, honor father and mother, and be a good steward to your boss.

    Another Passage to read is Ephesians 5. It instructs women to submit to their own husbands, she doesn't owe the same type of submission to every man alive. But there is apparently situations that women ought to submit in the assembly of God's people (1 Cor. 14:34&35). But I'd like to point out Eph. 5:21 - all Christians (men and women) are given a command to submit to one another. So submission isn't just a woman to man thing, in some respects men are to submit to women as well (I'm not suggesting something crazy like woman elders, no worries!!).
    by celticgirl1787 at 01/13/12 7:35PM
  • celticgirl1787
    Hopefully that makes sense and that others will correct me if I'm wrong in anything.
    by celticgirl1787 at 01/13/12 7:36PM
  • muma
    I have heard of a book, or perhaps a pamphlet, called "God Loves the Single, Too." I have never read it or even seen it, and I have no idea what it covers, or who wrote it or whether it has a denominational perspective, but since I heard about it from several Christians that I respect, I figure it must be good. Probably out of print now, but maybe someone would have it somewhere.

    Also, I have never really understood that Timothy's mother stopped teaching him when he became a man, though perhaps Paul is speaking about it in past tense. (1 Timothy 1:5; 3:14,15) Just thought I'd bring that up for consideration.

    Also to commit on Christians submitting to each other, men submitting to women would not involve women telling men what to do. When Christians are told to submit to one another it involves a submission of a one's will in consideration of another's conscience or perhaps abilities. Christians who did not eat meat offered to idols when weaker brethren were present is such an example. A personal example of a man submitting to the will of a woman is when the song leader decided not to lead a song because he knew that I would not sing it if it was lead because I considered it questionable. I did not tell him not to lead it, but he wanted me to be able to sing all the songs that were sung in the assembly. This would be considered submission.
    by muma at 01/13/12 8:43PM
  • spellgage
    Emily, I just gave your comment a more thorough reading, and I have to commend you on one observation born of pure genius: "...we also know from other passages that in a husband-wife relationship, 'proper clothing' is sometimes no clothing at all!"

    Amen and amen. Envy the man who marries such a wise woman.
    by spellgage at 01/13/12 10:41PM
  • celticgirl1787
    ^haha!!
    by celticgirl1787 at 01/14/12 8:47AM
  • rapunzel
    Thank you everyone for the feedback. I'm mulling it over, all very slowly, so I can't respond to everything you've said just yet. That said, I have a couple of thoughts up front:

    1) 1 Cor 7 does indeed commend men and women who can remain single, because it frees them from being preoccupied with wondering how to fulfill the obligation of making their spouses happy, but I don't think this passage implies that single women aren't supposed to submit to men--I don't think it comments on that matter at all.

    2) " [...] it would also allow you to make a comment if asked to by a Bible class teacher or to teach a history class where men have voluntarily chosen to learn from you." If I understand you, Alice, you're saying that I can speak in Bible class if the man, in his authority, gives me allowance to speak. I can teach a history class if the men in the classroom decide to listen. I wonder--do other people use this argument to say that they've allowed women to become their preachers and elders?

    3) "He is not a God of absurdity." No, I don't think he is, I just hope that what I count as foolishness isn't in fact wisdom in God's eyes, or vice versa. Maybe I'm being legalistic and too proof-hungry, but the argument "That just doesn't make sense--God would never tell me not to teach my husband how to cook" isn't satisfying.

    4) I've decided to take someone's advice, and instead of particularly asking "Does 1 Tim 2 mean I'm not supposed teach?" I'm going to try to ask the scriptures to answer the question, "What does a woman of God look like?" Maybe that will be more helpful for me.
    by rapunzel at 01/14/12 12:35PM
  • rapunzel
    (But, please, feel free to keep commenting.)
    by rapunzel at 01/14/12 12:35PM
  • muma
    I do believe that I am understanding the "everywhere" in 1 Timothy 2:8 to be a continuation of the thoughts begun in v. 1. Prayers are to be made for all men because God desires that all people be saved (v. 4). Because there is one God and no other as other people in various places believe (v. 5) who died for all men (v. 6) and to that end, Paul is an apostle and preacher (v. 7) and therefore desires that all men everywhere raise holy hands--because all men all over the world are saved. (v. 8) Likewise, that all women were Christians and so everywhere they would be dressed modestly and behaving as godly women (v. 9-10), learning in silence and not teaching or usurping authority over a man. (11-12) The "everywhere" seems to be more a general "all over the world" not every individual place a woman could possibly be with a man. Not sure I am expressing that very well. Perhaps someone else could do it better?

    I'm not saying I'm right about this, just that this is how my mind put these verses together.
    by muma at 01/14/12 2:25PM
  • kitkat
    Just a few thoughts. There are several passages in the NT that refer to Christians as a whole to exhort one another, including turning a brother from sin (jas 5:19 for example). If as a woman I am privy to a sin that a man in the church has committed, but I am the only one, my first responsibility is to that brother, and that responsibility includes approaching him myself about the sin. Now, if I'm to "turn a sinner from the error of his way," really, that necessitates some form of "teaching." I do believe that the Bible teaches that women are supposed to have a different manner about them in such things, but I believe we would all agree that if a woman is the sole person witnessing a sin, it would not be right for her to go tell another man about the sin just so she will not be confronting a man.

    And, you are right about the wisdom of man not being compraable to the wisdom of God, and just because something doesn't make sense to us doesn't mean we shouldn't do it. But at the same time, I do think that the Bible as a whole is to teach us about God's character and that has never changed. So when I think of God's character and what he did throughout the Bible with women, and what he encourages anyone who is his child to do, yes, I do consider it "absurd" that God would expect women to never teach a man how to do anything at all, in any shape or form. That doesn't fit God's character, and so I do have to rethink it. Just like when I think Jared has royally insulted me I should sit back and think it over because it doesn't "fit." I think that's what God most expects of us when we search the scriptures.

    I also think there must be a lot of "general" items in 1 Tim. Women aren't saved only by giving childbirth. Women aren't sinning if they put on a nice dress (though some might argue that they are -- but again, Queen Esther, etc.), men's prayers aren't accepted only if they are "lifting holy hands." I think as Caleb pointed out, these instructions are written with little extrapolation due to the fact that the letter is to Timothy and is intended to tell Timothy how to lead others, in the environment that he would be likely to do so.

    Sorry, that's not exactly answering your revised question....
    by kitkat at 01/15/12 9:16PM
  • kitkat
    As for the revised question -- I don't think there are a lot of specifics for women other than what's commanded in reference to marriage. Conversely, I don't think there are a lot of specifics for men, either. Most scripture is for everybody. "For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." (Gal. 3:27-28) God doesn't care *that much* whether a servant is a man or a woman -- we just end up putting a lot of emphases on it because the specifics really stand out to us. But I don't think the specifics are as dominating as we sometimes think they are.

    That said, I *do* believe that some of the principles taught in the commands relating to marriage are applicable to all women. All women are by nature "helpish," whether they are a specific man's helper or not. All women were essentially created to help the men in some way. One of the commands, of course, is to the submissive. I believe this is a more general command relating to woman's nature as well (kind of covered that). But I also think that a lot of women don't take it very seriously unless they are married. It really frustrates me when I hear young women say things like, "Boys are stupid." It doesn't really reflect the submissive, respectful nature that I believe women should have. There are also just some practical things I have learned from *being* married that I've realized I probably could have done differently in my single life to help the men I happened to be around. (But then if I'd been that smart I might have gotten snatched up earlier in life and Jared would have missed out :-)
    by kitkat at 01/15/12 9:48PM
  • celticgirl1787
    Caroline, I wasn't really expecting that you would definitely find all your answers in 1 Cor. 7, but its one of the only passages that speaks specifically to single people about anything and I hoped that it might help in some way.

    As for God not being a God of absurdity - well I'm still sticking to that. God's Laws and the story of the Bible are presented in a logical fashion and do require us to think and use logic to reach conclusions (he does want us to apply wisdom, after all). I'm not propagating that if His ideas don't fit into our's then they're absurd, that would be... absurd. But like Kat says, we have to look at God's character - the line of thinking that God doesn't allow for a woman to do anything in the way of teaching/leading a man ever doesn't allow for us to do what's expected of us a Christians - and we know that doesn't fit His character.

    Kathryn, you shared some great thoughts. Thanks. :)
    by celticgirl1787 at 01/16/12 6:56AM
  • slave_of_jesus_jdb
    Good post. Women are underpriveleged and under-thought about in this country, even though it is way better here than other places. I don't have time to read any of the comments right now, but probably because of the privelege I have (or just thinking like a man), I have never wanted to be a woman. Except maybe when I wished I had a broader range of emotions. But now I do have those emotions and feel free to express them. I have great sympathy for those who struggle to understand the ever changing place of women in society with so many competing voices about what that "ought" to be. Men don't have to listen to much of that, but have the privelege to do so in a leisurely way (as with all of those in power, whether we are talking about race, gender, religion, sexuality, etc). Keep up the good thinking.
    by slave_of_jesus_jdb at 01/16/12 11:03AM
  • thepoeticmadman
    I've refrained from commenting because I have both too much and too little to say about the topic; we should catch up sometime.
    by thepoeticmadman at 01/23/12 7:44PM
  • beunsung
    Two thoughts: To rephrase Gal. 3:27-28: Our responsibility as Christians supersedes our gender roles. It is every Christian's responsibility to oppose error. That frequently involves teaching.

    Secondly, we live in a culture that has no real definition of what constitutes a man vs. a boy. In the first century, Romans boys became men when their fathers told them they were men. From creation, a man would leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife. I have become increasingly convinced that just because a Christian boy reaches 18, that does not necessitate he is now a man.

    I have much more to write you concerning these matters, but I don't have the time or ability to do so now.
    by beunsung at 02/01/12 10:15AM

Congratulations Are in Order: I Haven't Yet Packed

I'm fond of organization as it is, but when I'm nervous, organization becomes my Valium. Before I drove to North Carolina, 100 miles was the furthest I'd ever driven on my own. Thus, on the eve of that epic venture into the east, I cleaned out my purse, packed napkins, rearranged my CDs according to genre and personal preference, and divided my Wheat Thins toasted crisps into individual snack-size baggies.

The epic trip now ended, I'll begin the last leg of my journey homeward in eight hours and fifteen minutes. My make-up, hair products, soaps, clothes, books, technological devices, and dental floss still lie scattered in at least three different rooms of my grandparents' house. My CDs are under the dash, in the driver's side door, under the passenger seat, and on the dresser. I can't discern anything in the chaotic innards of my purse. And my latest bag of Wheat Thins toasted crisps are still in their original packaging.

"Eh. I'll throw some stuff in the trunk in the morning," I say to myself.

Either I've grown lazier, or I'm becoming a more confident driver.

  • engelishgentleman
    Haha! Not repacking Wheat Thins = sign you're now a cosmopolitan world traveler?
    by engelishgentleman at 12/12/11 12:36AM
  • the_rainy_dog
    Awwwwwwwesome. :)
    by the_rainy_dog at 12/12/11 9:47AM
  • desi
    :)
    by desi at 12/12/11 10:06AM
  • ominie
    Ha! Sounds like me every single day of my life. "Eh, I'll throw some stuff...in the drawer...on the chair...at the foot of the bed...into my purse...out the window..." :D
    by ominie at 12/14/11 12:36AM
  • thejoyoftom
    Hope you had a safe trip. I am assuming that you've made, since you wrote, "Eh. I'll throw some stuff in the trunk in the morning," I am reading this late. Happy Holidays!
    by thejoyoftom at 12/14/11 1:21PM

Full-time Drudgery

I just finished a second archival internship (in essence, not in name or scholastic credit) at the county archives. I have been at an institution of higher learning for over six years. I have thirty undergraduate hours in history and a master's degree in history and eighteen graduate hours in archival administration and public history. “I want to be an archivist!” I proclaim to inquirers. (And then I explain what that is.) Banks have spent thousands of dollars on my degrees; I will spend thousands of dollars paying back interest, not to mention principal.

Needless to say, it was a bit depressing when at the archives I found myself staring at the clock every five minutes. “I'm not supposed to feel this way!” I thought. “This is supposed to be my calling! This is supposed to bring me fulfillment!” Instead, I felt every nerve on my scalp and in my feet scream as I spent an entire day arranging records in alphabetical and chronological order. I fought the urge to pull off my uncomfortable shoes and run laps around the complex, barefoot and screaming.

Maybe this wasn't my calling? Maybe I was supposed to do something else? But what else? What other career can pleasantly hold my attention for eight hours a day, five hours a week? I realized, “Nothing! There is nothing that I enjoy doing for eight straight hours. I like to clean, paint, draw, watch movies, write, shop, talk with friends, study, go to school, sing. But I don't like doing any one of those things for eight hours a day, five days a week.” So that's it, then—any career that I loved would eventually become mere drudgery by means of repetition.

So I objected to the system: “Who says full time is forty hours a week? Who says I have to work that often to get benefits?” I cut down an old cardboard box and began to make a protest sign. Then I thought of the meat packers in the early 1900s who worked fourteen hours a day with no benefits, who fell into vats and became sausage for the American public.

So maybe I'm just lazy.

Lazy or not, I still don't want a full-time job. I don't want someone to tell me, “Okay, here is some drudgery for you. You can have two weeks off out of fifty-two. Use them wisely.”

“Two weeks?” I cry. “Two weeks?? How am I supposed to decide which family members and friends are important enough to earn some of my two weeks? How am I supposed to go on a dig to Israel, or to Europe, or to FC Labor Camp, or to South Africa, with only two measly weeks?”

“Shut up, Caroline. Be grateful. Do you know how many people out there would love to be in your position, with a graduate degree and the potential to find a comfortable full-time job?”

I thought of my epitaph: “Here lies Caroline. She never went anywhere she planned to go. She saw her niece once every year. She spent every Christmas with her family. She saw her grandparents once every three years. She always wanted to become more involved with the community, but never had the time. BUT—she had a full time job, so may she rest in peace.”

I think I'll go grab the newspaper off the driveway and see if any of the classifieds say, “HELP WANTED—Vagabond.”
  • engelishgentleman
    :-(
    by engelishgentleman at 10/21/11 12:15PM
  • ashulee
    I've been feeling the same way lately, and I have my dream job. I think that's why they call it a job, because it's work and at some point in time, work gets boring and old, and you become plain sick of it. I'm going to go kiss my baby now.
    by ashulee at 10/21/11 12:59PM
  • engelishgentleman
    I will pray that God helps you find how to use your life for him.
    by engelishgentleman at 10/21/11 2:41PM
  • rapunzel
    See, Jonathan, I'm wondering if it's not so much trying to find the right thing to do as it is coming to grips with the fact that there is no job out there that will make me feel fulfilled, that there's no job that will ever make me feel the way I want to feel. Which, sorry, probably sounds pretty depressing.

    See, I wanted a job that would make me feel fulfilled, that would make me feel important, a job that I felt was worthy of my time and helpful to others, a job that I wouldn't have doubts about, and that I enjoyed doing. But maybe that's just a fairy tale? Maybe most people don't have jobs like that. It's like what Ashley said--she has her dream job and she still sometimes feels that way I do now. Maybe the people who are ridiculously happy with their jobs have just been able to make good use of cognitive dissonance.

    It's a little disappointing when you grow up and realize that life's not the way you thought it would be.
    by rapunzel at 10/21/11 3:39PM
  • thepoeticmadman
    tttteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaach! More time off, more flexible schedule, more varied interaction with thoughts, topics, and students.
    by thepoeticmadman at 10/21/11 8:57PM
  • aldebaran
    I've been told a bit of wisdom from what Ashely said. However, mine has a story, albeit short.

    My dad once told me that whatever job someone chooses to do will just be a "tedious project". This coming from a man who deals with numbers, does a lot of stuff outside, and talks to farmers all the time. Just because that's his dream job doesn't mean he doesn't get tired of it. A lot. This post helped me better understand what he meant: "Any job you choose to do will ultimately become tedious and redundant, but that's what a job is. So, get used to it."
    by aldebaran at 10/21/11 11:33PM
  • snoopy
    I *completely* understand where you are coming from. That's why I need to find someone to pay me to be a Tabitha/Priscilla -- if you find someone that's willing to hire us both, please let me know :)
    by snoopy at 10/22/11 11:20AM
  • bruke
    Been there, been there, been there! My zeal for my career goes up and down constantly. When I finished my library science degree I starting managing the archives here at FC and thought I would love it. In theory, I do, but there's something about working in a dark, little, dusty room with no windows and archaic organization that depresses me. I keep trying to find better ways to organize, sort, preserve, and then I get tired. Because I realized that our budget doesn't really allow me to do anything that I brainstorm. Then I go back to my desk and work on something else. A few months later (yeah, that's not really an exaggeration) I trudge back in there and try again. And this is working 15 hours a week.
    by bruke at 10/22/11 12:28PM
  • essie
    Disliking drudgery and tedium doesn't mean you're lazy. I'd say there are some things you can control (such as what job or jobs you have; whether to work part-time or not; what sacrifices would be worth making if you choose not to work full-time, etc.) and some things you can't, like running into problems and stress with *any* job. It's true that even if you do happen to find a "dream job," there will be things you don't like about it--but I don't think that means you should stop looking for what you'd like to do, or thinking about creative options. You're right--who says you have to go to the same place forty hours a week and take what they give you? There's no harm in seeing what else might be out there--or what you can create.
    by essie at 10/22/11 8:57PM
  • essie
    Also, reading a good how-to book, whether it's about living on a part-time salary, traveling, or anything else you might like to do, can give you some ideas and perhaps also replace the discouragement with excitement. The discouragement and frustration will probably come back once you actually start moving toward your goals, but by then it will be too late, because you won't give up. ;)
    by essie at 10/22/11 9:22PM
  • spellgage
    On the one hand, I agree with Jared. Teaching has sapped life from me, but not because it's boring or repetitive.
    On the other hand, here's an idea: Your real job is building relationships with helpless, broken people, helping them materially and spiritually with all your heart. Your time in the archives is how you fund your job.
    by spellgage at 10/23/11 2:49AM
  • engelishgentleman
    Commit your works to Yahweh And your plans will be established. For I know the plans that I have for you,’ declares the Yahweh, ‘plans for welfare and not for calamity to give you a future and a hope. (Prov. 16.3 and Jer. 29.11)

    Just want to encourage you not to take all the burden for figuring out life onto yourself; remember to let God help!
    by engelishgentleman at 10/23/11 9:47PM
  • celticgirl1787
    Hang in there Caroline. If its any consolation, I eventually found a job that I love (granted there is still some clock watching sometimes - but my guess is that is the case sometimes for most everyone - and I still have days where I think "oh... I don't want to go to work today"). But the job I love is the job I was kinda running away from for a while. Spending all day with children didn't appeal enough to me and neither did a schedule that wasn't guaranteed. Ideally I wanted to be a bank teller or work at Starbucks (seriously - Starbucks is still on my dream sheet). But these jobs just never did work out. Then finally, almost to last resort, I applied to be a sub at the elementary school - the job fell into place ever so nicely and I ended up loving it ever so muchly. So all that to say that, sometimes what we think we should be doing or would be interested in, isn't always what God has in mind for us. As Jonathan reminded, commit your ways to the Lord and He will guide you where He would have you go. Wait on Him. :)
    by celticgirl1787 at 10/24/11 5:49AM
  • brownie
    Maybe we're not meant to be satisfied by any career. Maybe we're meant to be satisfied by Something else. Maybe our female role was not original intended for us to be a career-st. But, let me tell you, I don't have a dream career job. I have one of those repetitious, BORING office jobs, but I've noticed it's my attitude that makes the day! I don't watch the clock if I'm too busy getting things done for the store, the busier the better. I love it. And this job, is a constant reminder of God answering prayers! So pray about it and look at it positively. You may end up enjoying something you first thought was boring and repetitious. :)
    by brownie at 10/24/11 9:02AM
  • thejoyoftom
    I love to sew, but I've never done it 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. I did work at a fabric store, but even then full time work there meant 30 hours a week. At least there was opportunity for creativity, I got to make displays, rearrange tables of fabric, organize notions, serve others which sometimes involved helping them plan their projects, measure fabric and count the money (much needed practice for my limited math skills), and spend my fun earned cash on patterns and materials for my own projects! I think the store made money on me. It sounds like you need a job that provides variety, which we all know is the "spice of life!"
    by thejoyoftom at 10/24/11 10:42AM
  • ominie
    ^ YES. Variety is the key. I get bored so easily, it's funny. But if I had a job that constantly changed or went back and forth between different things, it might be great. Or better, at least.
    by ominie at 10/24/11 10:40PM
  • kitkat
    There are some jobs that would require you to travel. This could be good and bad (aren't most things?), but you could potentially see family members and friends more often if your job happened to take you near them! You could be a trucker...now THAT's an entertaining picture! And it is true about housewifeyness too. Except that being a housewife gives you some privilege to change up your own schedule if you get bored, or start a new project. And I can listen to as much Deathcab and Cake as I want, and even dance around belting it out while I clean things.
    by kitkat at 10/27/11 9:41AM
  • thatonegirl
    Now if that isn't truth I don't know what is! ; ) Ideal "full-time" job = wife and mother. Assuming the right man can be found and HE doesn't mind a real "full-time" job to support us! Ha!
    by thatonegirl at 11/12/11 1:34AM

Grin and bear it. Or not.

For the third time in two weeks, a complete stranger told me I need to smile:

My eyes had fallen to the stone tile as I walked into the building, but I wasn't really looking at the stone tile. Instead, different scenarios that hadn't occurred, conversations I'd never had, letters I'd never written nor received streamed through my mind as I contemplated this big bulk of something called Future.

A tall dude by the elevator looked at me, smiled, and mouthed some words.

Mouthed some words at me, I realized. The speeding microfilm in my head stopped. “I'm sorry, what?”

“Don't look so happy!” he said, with a big grin on his big face on his big head on his big body.

“What?”

“You're frowning!”

The elevator door opened. He moved a leg and was inside. I scurried like a hamster into the corner. “Was I frowning?” I asked. Of course, I wasn't frowning now. I was smiling. Months of working
in customer service has conditioned me to smile whenever there's a face making noise in front of me.

Big Dude said I had been frowning. “It's Friday!” he said.

In a voice that was too happy behind a smile that was too big, I mentioned that some other stranger had told me to smile just the other day. (It had freaked me out a little, but I didn't add that part.) Big Dude got off on the fourth floor while I continued to the fifth.

On my way to the fifth floor, down the hall to the archives, and throughout the afternoon, my thoughts and emotions plodded downhill. Why had I thrice been told to smile by complete strangers? Was I really such a depressed individual that I exuded so much melancholy? Or perhaps people in this city were just really, really happy? What's so wrong with frowning anyway? What's wrong with being depressed? Is a fake smile really better than a genuine frown? Now that's something to think about—whether or not smiling when you're not actually happy is somehow dishonest. How selfish of these people to demand that I smile when I don't want to!

As my thoughts continued down this spiral, they took an interesting turn, and I found myself devising comebacks for the next time a person ordered me to smile. “My father just died.” Or, “My husband was killed in a duel.” Or, “I was just diagnosed with a case of terminal measles.” By the time I was on my way home, my frustration had grown to the point that I almost burst into tears when someone behind me unjustly honked at me. “Why does everyone insist that I behave the way they want me to behave! Leave me alone!!” And then after I got home, I devoured brownies.

Some bit of rationale resting in the top of my cranium looked down from its perch on high and contemplated the oddity of the situation. I couldn't recall actually being that upset before Big Dude confronted me at the elevator. I had been contemplative and a bit confused, but Big Dude, in his idealistic quest to make the world a better place by telling me to stop frowning, had actually achieved the opposite result.
  • ominie
    That's happened to me, too! I'll be thinking, contented with a so-so day, when someone says something about my being upset. THEN I do get upset. I think it's because you're doing your very best in the moment and when someone demands more, you just want to cry, "I'm giving my 100% already!"

    by ominie at 09/30/11 8:26PM
  • engelishgentleman
    Lesson learned: don't order people to smile.

    However, this strange incident at least led to very entertaining blog, so the suffering Big Dude inflicted upon you has benefited the reading public. :-)
    by engelishgentleman at 09/30/11 8:33PM
  • rapunzel
    Haha--thanks for the sympathy, y'all. Oddly enough, I wasn't looking for sympathy. My hindsight found my thought pattern amusing and I felt like connecting some words together to further entertain myself. It's interesting, though--usually when people feel sorry for me, I immediately want to reassure them, "It's fine! I'm okay! I'll be fine!"

    I should probably learn something from this: be more sympathetic. It makes people happier, sooner.
    by rapunzel at 09/30/11 8:43PM
  • engelishgentleman
    Between the part about your husband dying in a duel and the part about devouring brownies, I was quite amused. :-) But there's some deep thought there too!
    by engelishgentleman at 09/30/11 8:58PM
  • rebekah
    Ok, now I really feel bad because as I was reading this I was thinking "Yes, Caroline, SMILE!" Then I got to the end. Oops. :) I think in general we can always come up with a reason to smile, extenuating circumstances aside. Sorry you're not happy, but glad you're fine! Along those lines, I may have a really really (REALLY) rough afternoon with the kids, often on Wednesdays, and be in a tight frown right up until I get to the doors of the church building and then I have to turn on the smile. But you know what? Being around such nice people who have such nice things in common with me always cheers me up. On my bad days I find myself way too focused on my own misery. :(
    by rebekah at 09/30/11 10:44PM
  • ashulee
    Sometimes faking the smile can lead to discovering reasons to wear a real one.

    Big Dude was probably having a great day and felt the rest of the world should be, too.

    Brownies were the perfect solution :-)
    by ashulee at 10/02/11 7:56PM
  • rosesandtherain
    Ever heard the phrase "Fake it till you make it"? You can apply it to lots of things, and in particular to smiles. And don't think about it too much. You'll get yourself upset. =)
    by rosesandtherain at 10/04/11 8:23AM
  • granny
    Hello Caroline. I was at your sister's blog and saw your name. Your profile photo contains a beautiful smile. Some days smiles hide in our pockets and other days sharing smiles is the highlight of our day. Flow on sweet girl. Meet everyone where they are at. You have a fine way of writing. I enjoyed the read.
    by granny at 10/06/11 4:30PM

Welcome to Commerce

Welcome to Commerce, pop. 8500. Commerce is most well-known for being the home of one of the Texas A&M branches, student pop. 10,000. It is summertime now, so there is about 900 people total, give or take a few students. From the sound of it, most of those 500 students are in the pool, two apartments down from mine. There are about five intersections with traffic lights; the rest have stop signs. There is a Walmart, a McDonald's, a Subway, and the Drunken Mule--a bar known to locals simply as "the Mule." (There are a few more things, but according to the book, "Writing Tools," one ought to be wary of mentioning too many things in a list.)

The people I have met are pleasant. The head of Special Collections gallivanted all over the business building with me to act as my liaison and patiently sat and watched me fill out the W-4, Disabled Veterans, etc., forms. The director of the library smiled, shook my hand, and politely signed a form so I could have wireless access in my room. (I don't know why he had to sign it; from the looks of it, I don't think he knew, either.) Mike--the Walmart employee in charge of the banana display--chatted with me about quality vs. quantity. The dude with dreadlocks down to his shoulders and with his shorts' waistband around his thighs offered to help me carry my stuff. Colby, the apartment staff member who took me to my new apartment, offered to move my couch for me, and pointed out that I might want to buy a shower curtain--unless, you know, I was the kinda person who didn't need a shower curtain. (I bought one, but forgot to buy rings to hang it up, so I tried to be that "kinda person." I had to swab the Baltic Sea off my bathroom floor afterward.)

The work is good. Today, instead of really working, my boss told me to poke around the archives and find stuff I wanted to work on. We have the papers of the fellow who wrote "Brown Bear, Brown Bear, What Do You See?" I wanted to process them, but they take up 50 boxes. I'm processing the papers of 4 (or is it 5?) brothers who were stunt pilots from 1920s-ca.1960s. I think Dad--a pilot--would think this is way cool. He's probably heard of some of these people.

I must go back to Wal-Mart. I bought coffee, but no coffee filters. Maybe I will see Mike there.
  • engelishgentleman
    Fascinating! Look forward to hearing more of your enterprises in Commerce! ;-)
    by engelishgentleman at 06/07/11 8:08PM
  • rebekah
    I miss small towns!! Have fun!
    by rebekah at 06/07/11 10:25PM
  • slave_of_jesus_jdb
    Even in the middle of summer, friendly people are cool.
    by slave_of_jesus_jdb at 06/07/11 10:51PM
  • ominie
    Aww...it'd be so much fun to come visit after I get my car!!
    by ominie at 06/08/11 2:09AM
  • azuresky42
    swabbing the baltic sea off your bathroom floor must have been fun ...in a not-so-fun kind of way =)
    by azuresky42 at 06/08/11 3:24AM
  • celticgirl1787
    Sounds like you're off to a great start in Commerce. Have fun. :)
    by celticgirl1787 at 06/08/11 7:01AM
  • thelostprophet
    Actually, Commerce is well known for being the former site of East Texas State the college where my parents met and eventually married.
    by thelostprophet at 06/08/11 10:45AM
  • muma
    Miss Joanne has been to Commerce. Nice to know what is going on since your little sister didn't share the phone with anyone the other night. Dad keeps asking if you've called since then. We all miss you. I thought I heard you in the kitchen laughing with your sisters Monday night--I miss hearing your laugh--and last night I wondered if you were going to come downstairs to join us for supper--everyone had a place to sit which isn't right. I'm glad that you are doing well, but certain television shows just aren't the same without you here watching them with us!
    by muma at 06/08/11 1:22PM
  • kitkat
    Nice to see you are making up for the smallness of your dwelling place with some hyperbole.

    :-D
    by kitkat at 06/08/11 11:47PM
  • nerdosaurus_rex
    You're so observant and thoughtful-- makes for interesting reading on this end!
    by nerdosaurus_rex at 06/18/11 12:15AM
  • bucsfan
    Hope you're having fun! Gig 'em! ;)
    by bucsfan at 09/24/11 12:30AM