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I fail to comprehend the social structure of the majority of the human race. These creatures continue to simultaneously fascinate and annoy me, resulting in many and varied responses to the apparent extraterrestrial species they find I am a member of. Though my study is becoming increasingly involuntary, the more humans discover that I am, in fact, human in exterior biological form only, the more they insist I return to my home planet.

I'm beginning to think that's a good idea.


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Article Breakdown: Modesty

Found here at "Teens-4-Christ.org."

I am in the white.
Article is in the lightgreen....


One of the key issues of modesty is not drawing attention to yourself but rather drawing attention to your countenance and to Christ. In order to truly be modest, a lady should be revealing Christ in her life, not her body.
Very true. However, this does not mean a female must wear a potato sack in order to be righteous. Continue.

1 Pet 3:1-4 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; (2) While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. (3) Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; (4) But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

The lady should be respectful of her husband’s wishes. When he is asking her to be modest, she must respect his wishes. In fact, the lady should seek her husband’s opinion about modest(y). She should allow her husband to consider what she is wearing and determine what is or is not appropriate. The husband knows what attracts a man’s eye and can help steer the wife away from things that would not be appropriate.

This falls under "attracting a man's eye," not forbidding of wearing green or calling a woman's sandals ugly. Men and women naturally see different things, and it pays to have a second opinion. It's like having a second mirror, to catch all the places you can't see with just one. Continue.

Unmarried young ladies should seek the advice of their Godly mothers. If their mother is unsaved, they should look to another Godly, married lady in their church. In either case, when dealing with an unmarried young lady on the subject of modesty, a man should not directly deal with the issue. He should guide his wife and allow his wife to deal with the issue.
This also makes sense, in the vast majority of cases. If someone cares about being modest, they will want to hear what people have to say, and that is best coming from the "Godly mothers," and others stated here.

Part of the adorning of a lady is her chastity or quality of having a chaste spirit. To be chaste is to be free from sexual defilement. A lady who is unmarried would be sexually pure – having never touched a man in a romantic context. A lady who is married would be loyal to the marriage bed. In addition, whether married or unmarried, a chaste lady has pure conversation; she is free from the obscene. Webster’s 1828 Dictionary says, “In language, pure; genuine; uncorrupt; free from barbarous words and phrases, and from quaint, affected, extravagant expressions.” To compare, the harlot is loud, boisterous and explicit.

Holding hands with one's boyfriend/fiancee is considered sexual defilement? Further detail is needed here. In addition, "harlots" are not always "obscene." It seems the vast majority, since words do actually reflect one's thoughts, but being loud and boisterous doesn't mean you're "sexually defiled."

Finally, the passage above reinforces that the adorning of a lady should not be her outward appearance. Wild hairstyles and gaudy jewelry scream for attention, and the admiration of others, instead of pointing people to the Lord. People are attracted to the modest lady by her meek and quiet spirit, by the spirit in her that is controlled by the hidden man of the heart. She should reflect the Holy Spirit of God.
More detail is needed. Sweeping generalizations are not good for an article of this nature. There are women who wear large, bejeweled insects on their lapel, yet are some of the nicest women I've ever met. In addition, the attitude goes with what's "wild" or not. I happen to be acquainted with an individual who currently sports copper orange dreadlocks, and she is the complete opposite of the "wild" it seems this context is attempting to get at. More detail is needed, and outlook taken into account, instead of lumping together unconventional things as "wild and gaudy and sin."

1Ti 2:9-10 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with br(a)ided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

1 Tim 2:9-10 echo’s the sentiments in 1 Pet 3. It is amazing how the Word of God never contradicts itself. Again, the lady should not rely upon her jewelry, hairstyles or costly array to make herself attractive. She should rely upon the Spirit of God dwelling within her. If she is attracting people to the Spirit of God, then the Spirit of God may use her to get people saved.

How do you know if someone is relying on their appearance, or of they merely make different choices? Again, it comes down to someone's attitude and temperament. You might choose a denim jacket to wear one morning, I might choose a black ruffled button-down. It doesn't make me wrong.

2 Cor 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

As someone who is legitimately a Christian, you are also a new creature. The things of the world you once enjoyed should no longer be pleasurable to you. If you drank liquor, the Spirit of God should convict you of that. If you were one who spent time in dance clubs, and you are saved, the Spirit should have shown you that modern dancing is a sin! Likewise, when you were saved, the Spirit of God should show you that immodest apparel is a sin also. As a new creature, you have the individual soul liberty to do what you want to do, but what you want to do should reflect becoming a new creature through salvation.

"Drinking liquor" is not a sin, in itself. It is the culture pressure and abuse of the substance that is defined as a sin. This paragraph gives me the impression that I knew nothing about modesty before I became a Christian, and should have thrown out my wardrobe and started from scratch at the assistance of others. Becoming a "new creature" does not make one void of personality.

So what should a modest lady avoid? Over the years, styles of dress have changed. Sadly, the styles of dress have become more revealing to the point where many women, whose character is far from harlotry, are dressed in ways which could easily cause a man to stumble into sin. Hollywood, the popular music culture and the fashion industry all encourage you to show off your body, but a Christian lady should know that her body is not her own.
I mostly agree to this. However, it's also a generalization. The "music culture" that I draw inspiration from possesses hemlines that range from knee to ankle, and necklines that remain quite close to the collarbone. But it would not be considered modest by some, because the articles are uncommon, even exotic at times. It doesn't mean I'm out for attention, it means I like it, just like you like your denim jackets.

1Cor 6:19-20 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

As a Christian, you have been purchased already. Paul referred to himself as a servant. Literally, a bond-slave belonging to Christ. Therefore, since we are not our own, we belong to Christ and we should do the will of Christ. For a lady, dressing modestly is the will of Christ. The following notes are a practical guide intended to help a Christian lady who desires to glorify God in her body and spirit.

I mostly agree to this, except for the part referring to the next section.

The modest lady will not be ‘naked’. In other words, nothing above the thigh should be revealed. Whether sitting, standing or hanging from a tree, everything from the thigh to the top of the chest should be covered. In most cases, this means the garment should extend below the knee when standing, because the garment will gather up and shorten when sitting. The garment should also completely cover the rear (crack-free zone). If you constantly have to tug your skirt down to cover your knees when sitting, then it is too short. The same goes for having to keep pulling your shirt down to keep your stomach or backside covered. Why fight that battle all day?? It is so much easier to wear clothes that aren’t on the border line of being too short, that way you can relax!
Couldn't "hanging from a tree" be considered immodest? Attention-seeking? To the last part I agree. Clothing should not be precarious.

On top, she should not reveal her chest. A good rule of thumb here is that the neckline should not be lower than three fingers widths below the notch at the top of the breastbone. Cleavage should never be seen. Also, sleeves should not reveal the lady’s underwear. A good rule of thumb here is covering the armpit. If someone cannot see the armpit, they cannot see anything else.
Beginning-well, yeah, I agree. But, three-fingers-widths is about two and a half inches on me. It would be larger on someone else. What about girls who have no cleavage? Can they wear however low a neckline they want? Underwear is for "under," I agree. But underwear does not extend to the armpit on every shirt. Generalizations, again.

The modest lady will not wear tight clothing. The modern harlot will dress in a way that advertises what she has to offer. This means that the little she covers will still be revealed through tight garments. What is tight? Today just about everything has spandex or some type of stretchy material in it. This is not by accident. If you have to stretch open your shirt to fit it over your head and shoulders, then it is going to be tight and form fitting on your chest and torso, revealing every curve. Clothing that is tight is revealing and leaves little to the imagination. This advertises your chest size and the curves of your waist and hips. A Christian lady should not want to “show off” her body; after all if she truly is a Christian, her body is not her own and she will want to advertise the Spirit of God and not her body.
If it alters not thy silhouette, a different choice is a good bet.

A modest lady will not reveal her underwear. “Teacher, teacher, I declare. I see someone’s underwear!” Remember that? In a time now past, it was an open shame to reveal your underwear. Now, it is common. This concept should be simple enough. If the garment is tight so that it reveals the outline of underwear (or that there is no underwear at all), then it is also drawing the guy’s attention away from the lady’s countenance and to her undergarments. Additionally, if the garment opens in a way that reveals the undergarment, it is inappropriate. For example: sleeveless garments (or garments with very short sleeves, three-quarter sleeves, etc.) allow a guy to see into the blouse revealing the lady’s undergarments or chest.
To the beginning I agree. UNDERwear, people, goes UNDER. /throws confetti/
If one may see the outline of the undergarment through the second layer, why don't you just wear it on top? It's a sneeze away from the outline.
HOWEVER, I call your attention to this little black sleeveless creature of mine. It quite resembles a t-shirt, sans sleeves, and I've never had a problem with it in this capacity. I also don't understand how three-quarter sleeves reveal a girl's underthings. (if a reader can enlighten me on this point, please do, because it's confusing me)


Another modern trend is to actually show off the underwear. Many women are wearing low-waist skirts/pants. As a result, they are revealing their underwear. In a similar way, women are revealing their underwear on top -almost to the point of showing off their underwear. Lace peaking out of the top of a shirt draws curiosity and attention to that point. Once again drawing attention where it doesn’t belong. A Christian lady should be pointing people to her Saviour, not to her body.
Agreed.

A modest lady will not draw attention to her jewelry. The verses on modesty also mention gold, pearls and costly array. A Christian lady should not be “flashy” with her jewelry and clothes. People around her should not look at her and admire or even covet her expensive clothes and jewelry. When people look at a Christian lady they should first see her sweet spirit and testimony. Our clothes and jewelry should never over power, or stand in the way of people seeing Christ in us. This is not to say that all jewelry is wrong, but it should be kept in balance as an accent, and not a focal point.
A modest lady will not wear jewelry that says "HOTTIE" in large, rhinestoned letters. A modest lady will not wear life-sized apples as earrings. A modest lady might wear a daisy on a ring, and a modest lady might wear typewriter key earrings. It's not about the attention you're getting, but the attention you're looking for. If someone admires one's clothing, it's a sin? It's evil to wear nice things? There are things people wear that are out of convention that don't get in the way of people wondering what they're like as a person.


A Modest lady will not adorn herself with overbearing makeup. God gives each lady a natural beauty from within. That beauty can be accented with mild, natural makeup. However, when the makeup becomes a focal point, it has already become too much. Unlike nakedness, there is no hard and fast rule we can point to here. However, the Bible does give us an example to look at. Jezebel was a queen who has the reputation of being the wickedest of women. She was a murderer, a prostitute and, overall, an enemy of God. How did she adorn herself? Among other things, she “painted her face” (2 Kings 9:30). We do not know what she looked like, but I think it is safe to assume that her makeup was distracting, so much that it was noteworthy.
No, you're actually putting a lot of hard and fast rules in. The note of Jezebel makes sense but, as you've said before, fashions change. In that era, when women didn't wear makeup and all, anything on one's face would be overbearing and "woah...lookit that." I still agree to the "overbearing," however.

In today’s culture, makeup has drifted toward a dark tone. Many young women use very dark makeup, especially around the eyes. Dark makeup has always been associated with Satanism. Many of the young women today may not consider their association when wearing the black or dark colors, but the association is there. Also, when she paints dark colors around her eyes, she is drawing attention to her eyes. A woman’s eyes can be very enticing. If the woman is sly, she can use them to entice a man into her snare.
Tell me your reference for dark makeup "has always been associated with Satanism," then I will take you seriously on this point. If this is true, a vast majority of fashion models are Satanists. So are mimes. And so are stage actors. It has to be taken in context and culture. Wearing black and darker colors does not denote a religious affiliation. You have cited no references for this generalization, but have used to support your article on modesty. One who wears white is not initiated in to Christianity for the color of their clothing, just as a darker taste has no connection to Satanism or anything similar.
A modest lady will not wear unnatural hair coloring or gaudy hair styles. In 1 Peter 3 and 1 Timothy 2 the Bible refers to hair styles. The references here point to braiding and folding hair in an excessive way. They were styling their hair so that the hair became a focal point instead of God living within them. Today, we see many different bold and attractive hair styles. Styling your hair is not necessarily wrong. It is only when the hair style becomes overwhelming or when the hair style draws someone’s attention away from your countenance.
Overwhelming depends on the context and culture. There are those who would condemn that dread-sporting friend, merely because it is unconventional and, therefore, "immodest and attention-seeking." But it's not overbearing. It fits with the rest of who she is and looks just as natural as brushable hair. If someone is a lawyer or doctor, blue spiked hair would be immodest. For a painter or video-game tester, purple streaks would fit.


Hair colors that do not naturally occur are immodest. The sole purpose of such a color is to draw attention to the person and not to Christ. Likewise, coloring styles are immodest. You will never see a modest Christian lady wearing un-natural colors or stripes in her hair!
Generalization there. "The Sole Purpose" is assuming that you know the person. If they were visiting your church, would you walk up to them and say "Your hair is immodest, and immodesty is a sin. You're probably going to hell"? What if someone who has naturally brown hair bleaches blonde stripes in? Is it still modest because it's a "natural" color? Think about this.

Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

In everything she does, a modest Christian lady will be separated from the world. Anything which could be written about modesty in relation to today’s fashion or style will change. As the world’s standards change, the Christian’s standard should not. Christians, and sadly, the church, seem to keep the worldly standards at arm’s length. However, as the world’s standards become worse, so do the church’s standards.


To the beginning I agree. But what if a person isn't "following the trends," just doing what they think looks nice and fits with the environment, occupation and attitude? Two kids who dye their hair green could have extremely different philosophies on it. It's wrong to lump them together because you think you know everything about everyone. One will change their look depending on what's "in," the other will keep it or alter it slightly, because it's what they truly like. It just looks like they're falling into a trend, because that happens to be whatever it is at the moment. Integrity is staying the same through negative pressure to change. If someone really has integrity, they won't dye their hair back to brown or wipe off their makeup just because of articles citing them as a Satanist. Someone with integrity makes their own decisions on their own searching and doesn't let people who haven't actually done their research pull them into the water of pointing fingers at unconvention.



The church is keeping the world at arm’s length and moving away from the Word of God. Ultimately, the standard of modesty should be one of separation. Our appearance should set us apart from the world. People should visibly see a difference in Christians. The ungodly fashion industry, and Hollywood stars should not be our examples of how we should look. Quite frankly it is a good measure of what we should NOT look like. From the top of their self absorbed heads to the bottom of their anything for money and attention feet, the Hollywood crowd is the complete opposite of what a Christian should aspire to look like.
Agreed--the church is keeping the world at hand for whenever they want it, then condemn it when they don't. This also goes for the "modest" brands that christian kids sport. It's not about wagging fingers and shoving black sheep into the cold. After all, black sheep are still sheep, but if you focus too much on how "immodest" they are for being uncommon, you're not going to prepare for the wolves. Too many teenagers in churches are being trained to be wolves, going after the black sheep for "not being modest" when, in reality, it all comes down to choice. Not the choice of being revealing, or drawing attention, but just stylistic choice. There is no normal. There is majority.


Separation does not mean drab.
No, by this article, it means mainstream and "majority rule, unveiling the fools."

Christians do not have to wear muted colors, and dress plainly.
They should just take this article as gospel and do whatever you say, in every minute detail you've given?

But at the same time the Christian should look distinctly different.
You're tangling. "Wild and gaudy" vs. "Christians don't have to look drab" is giving a very "do what I say" impression.
If christians should look "distinctly different," shouldn't we go with our own tastes? Keep our own style?
I seriously doubt that if I dyed my hair crayon red and wore a jabot, that would be to "fit in."
Stop hating.

The Christian should not be constantly trying to keep up with every crazy fad that comes along, especially if it is extreme and draws attention to the body and not the Spirit of God.
But they can go along with the trendy, high-end, "church-approved" ones?


I'm done.

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