From: Carrell, Justin W
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 8:13 AM
To: Ann E. Carrell
Subject: RE: debt in the bible
I provided the verses below. I was quoting YLT. I think you are quoting NKJV. It’s not automatic, it’s just dangerous. Kinda like the idea of fleeing youthful lusts. It’s not sinful, in and of itself, to put yourself in stupid situations. But it is “criminally” unwise to not avail yourself of God’s way of escape and then to fail. So, if you later do the wrong thing to satisfy debts, rather than God, and you could have easily not been in debt in the first place, you are doubly at fault.
Well, it does under the old law. I would think the principle holds today.
I suppose ideally, we’d be advising one another such that borrowing was not necessary. That’s not always feasible. I think the principle that will most color my lending in the future is Luke 6:34b “lend, hoping for nothing”.
From: Ann E. Carrell
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 5:43 PM
To: Carrell, Justin W
Subject: RE: debt in the bible
I don’t have a Bible handy. But isn’t it “a borrower is servant to the lender”? Explain why you are automatically serving Mammon if you borrow money.
Do the usury scriptures mean we should not have charged you or Jeremy interest?
From: Carrell, Justin W
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 4:30 PM
To: Ann E. Carrell
Subject: debt in the bible
So, here’s what I’ve found. Looks to me that borrowing is discouraged, loaning and giving are encouraged, and usury is forbidden. That said; in Deu 23:20 it says you can loan with interest to a stranger. In that context, I believe stranger meant “not Jewish”. Nevertheless, I don’t think that destroys my original point. It really comes down to Pro 22:7, “a servant is the borrower to the lender” and Mat 6:24 “ye are not able to serve God and Mammon”.
`If thou dost lend My poor people with thee money, thou art not to him as a usurer; thou dost not lay on him usury;
(Exo 22:25 YLT)
thou takest no usury from him, or increase; and thou hast been afraid of thy God; and thy brother hath lived with thee;
(Lev 25:36 YLT)
thy money thou givest not to him in usury, and for increase thou givest not thy food;
(Lev 25:37 YLT)
and this is the matter of the release: Every owner of a loan is to release his hand which he doth lift up against his neighbour, he doth not exact of his neighbour and of his brother, but hath proclaimed a release to Jehovah;
(Deu 15:2 YLT)
for Jehovah thy God hath blessed thee as He hath spoken to thee; and thou hast lent to many nations, and thou hast not borrowed; and thou hast ruled over many nations, and over thee they do not rule.
(Deu 15:6 YLT)
for thou dost certainly open thy hand to him, and dost certainly lend him sufficient for his lack which he lacketh.
(Deu 15:8 YLT)
`Thou dost not lend in usury to thy brother; usury of money, usury of food, usury of anything which is lent on usury.
(Deu 23:19 YLT)
To a stranger thou mayest lend in usury, and to thy brother thou dost not lend in usury, so that Jehovah thy God doth bless thee in every putting forth of thy hand on the land whither thou goest in to possess it.
(Deu 23:20 YLT)
`Jehovah doth open to thee his good treasure--the heavens--to give the rain of thy land in its season, and to bless all the work of thy hand, and thou hast lent to many nations, and thou--thou dost not borrow.
(Deu 28:12 YLT)
he doth lend to thee, and thou dost not lend to him; he is for head, and thou art for tail.
(Deu 28:44 YLT)
And a certain woman of the wives of the sons of the prophets hath cried unto Elisha, saying, `Thy servant, my husband, is dead, and thou hast known that thy servant was fearing Jehovah, and the lender hath come to take my two children to him for servants.'
(2Ki 4:1 YLT)
And she cometh and declareth to the man of God, and he saith, `Go, sell the oil, and repay thy loan; and thou and thy sons do live of the rest.'
(2Ki 4:7 YLT)
and my heart reigneth over me, and I strive with the freemen, and with the prefects, and say to them, `Usury one upon another ye are exacting;' and I set against them a great assembly,
(Neh 5:7 YLT)
And also, I, my brethren, and my servants, are exacting of them silver and corn; let us leave off, I pray you, this usury.
(Neh 5:10 YLT)
and the peoples of the land who are bringing in the wares and any corn on the sabbath-day to sell, we receive not of them on the sabbath, and on a holy day, and we leave the seventh year, and usury on every hand.
(Neh 10:31 YLT)
His silver he hath not given in usury, And a bribe against the innocent Hath not taken; Whoso is doing these is not moved to the age!
(Psa 15:5 YLT)
The rich over the poor ruleth, And a servant is the borrower to the lender.
(Pro 22:7 YLT)
Whoso is multiplying his wealth by biting and usury, For one favouring the poor doth gather it.
(Pro 28:8 YLT)
And it hath been--as a people so a priest, As the servant so his master, As the maid-servant so her mistress, As the buyer so the seller, As the lender so the borrower, As the usurer so he who is lifting it on himself.
(Isa 24:2 YLT)
Woe to me, my mother, For thou hast borne me a man of strife, And a man of contention to all the land, I have not lent on usury, Nor have they lent on usury to me--All of them are reviling me.
(Jer 15:10 YLT)
In usury he doth not give, and increase taketh not, From perversity he turneth back his hand, True judgment he doth between man and man.
(Eze 18:8 YLT)
In usury he hath given, and increase taken, And he liveth: he doth not live, All these abominations he hath done, He doth surely die, his blood is on him.
(Eze 18:13 YLT)
From the afflicted he hath turned back his hand, Usury and increase he hath not taken, My judgments he hath done, In My statutes he hath walked, He doth not die for the iniquity of his father, He doth surely live.
(Eze 18:17 YLT)
A bribe they have taken in thee to shed blood, Usury and increase thou hast taken, And cuttest off thy neighbour by oppression, And Me thou hast forgotten, An affirmation of the Lord Jehovah!
(Eze 22:12 YLT)
to him who is asking of thee be giving, and him who is willing to borrow from thee thou mayest not turn away.
(Mat 5:42 YLT)
and if ye lend to those of whom ye hope to receive back, what grace have ye? for also the sinful lend to sinners--that they may receive again as much.
(Luk 6:34 YLT)
`But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again, and your reward will be great, and ye shall be sons of the Highest, because He is kind unto the ungracious and evil;
(Luk 6:35 YLT)
And he said unto them, `Who of you shall have a friend, and shall go on unto him at midnight, and may say to him, Friend, lend me three loaves,
(Luk 11:5 YLT)
I’ve wondered how the current administration was going to claim victory for the stimulus package. It’s always seemed clear to me that it would not save nearly as many millions of jobs as they claim, but they certainly won’t claim defeat. So, what will they say? How will they claim victory (just as did FDR) and ensure reelection?
I think I’ve figured it out. Now, this is purely predictive. Please don’t spam the online comments saying Obama won’t do this. This is a guess, but you wait and see if I’m right.
The current claim is that it will create or save 3.5 million jobs over the next two years. Today, I heard that they would assess that by the current baseline. That means; in January (the first full month prior to the stimulus package) there were 598000 lost jobs. Over the next two years that would be over 14 million jobs. That puts us at 18% unemployment. Taking into account base growth; we have about 14%. But no one really thinks it will get that bad. And if it only gets up to 12%; behold…3 million jobs. That’s with no stimulus package whatsoever.
There of course is also the fact that it is very unlikely that we will continue to lose 598000 every month. In fact, the graph is normally very, very front heavy. Using current monthly figures (even an average of the last six months) as a flat baseline for the next two years is just bad economics; bad math.
When 2010 elections roll around, the Democratic Party will claim the stimulus was a victory. The Republican Party will claim the stimulus was a failure. And we libertarians will continue to pray that the government will begin to believe in the American people again.
Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: (KJV)
In class last Wednesday, we briefly discussed the middle of James chapter one; particularly verses 13 and 14. This passage is often confused. The reason is the same as we mentioned in class. God creates tempting things. However, the passage says that God does not tempt anyone. How do we reconcile these two things?
First, we must consider the definitions of the Greek words in question. (Yes, words not word. This is because a version of “tempt” appears four times in verse 13; however, the third usage is a different Greek word.) “I am tempted of God:” The Greek word here means tempt or assay (to examine or analyze, to judge the quality of). What does that mean? It’s easiest to use an example. If I leave a candy bar on my desk at work, a coworker may be tempted to steal it. However, I’m not tempting them. I’m not judging their quality. Now, if I take a candy bar, open the wrapper and wave it under someone’s nose; then I am tempting them. I am taking an active part to test my coworker.
How does the other Greek word differ? “(God) (can)(not be tempted)” There are three Greek words here, which literally translate “God exists (not triable)”. Again, what does that mean? Consider passages such as Zec 13:9, “will try them as gold is tried”. Gold is tried by fire (1 Pet 1:7). One heats the gold and impurities are burned out. However, if the gold is left in the fire too long (or if the fire is too hot), the gold will be ruined and destroyed. James is saying God exists perpetually untriable. No matter how “hot the fire” it will have no affect on God. God is already perfectly pure. He will not be destroyed or degraded. It is really quite poetic and in fact, the only place in the Bible this word is used. God is impermeable and immutable.
So, there are two things to take away. First, you should find security in God. Can you imagine worshiping a god who could be tried; who wasn’t consistent? It would be awful. You could never be sure. Praise and thank God for his love and consistency. Second, understand was James meant when the Holy Spirit wrote through him, “neither tempteth he any man:”. It does not mean that God did not create tempting things. Some will mention that the fruit God put in the garden. Others will mention that he allows things such as alcohol to exist. I’ll take it one further. God made Satan. Satan surely tempts the world. That’s not the point. God made these things, just as I set the candy bar on my desk, but he doesn’t wave them in front of our face. In fact, “No temptation hath taken you--except human; and God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above what ye are able, but He will make, with the temptation, also the outlet, for your being able to bear it .” (I Cor 10:13) (YLT) God gives you a way of escape. “not purposing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” (2 Pet 3:9) (MKJV) God wants you in heaven. God created only good things. But, God gave free will. With that comes a chance for evil. Evil from Satan. Evil from men. “All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.” (Mark 7:23) (KJV) Watch yourself. Watch those you are among. Watch for temptation. Flee when you can. When you cannot flee, guard against the temptation, meditate on the words of God, pray to God.