2 things

1. http://www.foxnews.com/science/2015/03/30/how-long-to-fall-through-earth-quicker-than-thought/?intcmp=ob_article_footer_text&intcmp=obnetwork
A neat story of interest to at least my dad, who told me about the original version many many years ago.

2. To what extent does culture legitimately influence/determine what is right and wrong?
  • tryphena
    1. It seems like it would also matter exactly what axis you are drilling through, since Earth isn't a perfect sphere. Interesting stuff to think about!

    2. Hmmm...I have a feeling there's not a "good" answer to this. I would start with things that are absolutely right or wrong, then go to matters of liberty and judgment. Then there's personal conscience to consider, too. Society or culture figures into right and wrong in some things, but not in the basics. Maybe a reasonable "for instance:" Society dictates that you dress a certain way for a certain event (i.e., formalwear at a black-tie event). A Christian shows up in jeans and a t-shirt--perfectly modest apparel from a covered-up point of view. But it draws undue attention, making it immodest based on the custom of wearing formalwear to a black-tie event. Is it just "wrong" because of the custom, or because a Christian has drawn negative attention to himself, and isn't representing Christ well? That might be a weak or frivolous example.

    I'd like to know what, if any, specific circumstance your question was drawn from.
    by tryphena at 04/02/15 5:36PM
  • sirtarin
    1. Fun. :)

    2. I'm somewhat thinking along the lines she is. Depending on what sort of "right" and "wrong" you're referring to, it could change the answer. If you're considering "wrong" as being sinful, than obviously, culture does not have a legitimate influence on it. People may say it does, but that's God's domain, not man's.
    by sirtarin at 04/03/15 12:05AM
  • chessman
    I think I was thinking along the lines of what's been considered "covered" or "scandalous" at various periods of time. So yes, modesty in dress, which I do believe has a cultural component. Language, I think, is another one. What makes one word crude and one acceptable, even with the same denotation?
    There are others which involve the interaction of personal conscience with culture, which gets a lot more complex but still gives culture an influence on what is right and wrong.
    Other thoughts?
    by chessman at 04/03/15 8:35AM
  • dragonwriter
    2. Sometimes things that are approved by the culture are wrong in the eyes of God (promiscuity, immodesty, greed, etc.) and sometimes things that are approved by God are wrong in the eyes of the culture (slavery, capital punishment (by and large), etc.). While I don't think any Christian would depend on the cultural interpretation of the word of God, I think there is a definite sway that culture has in the formation of what we consider the boundaries between morality and immorality. Would the dress that a modern modest Christian woman wear be at all acceptable in the 1800s? I don't know, but I tend to think that as much ankle that would be shown might be considered scandalous. Because our culture has lost many of its inhibitions, that makes it all the more critical for me to consider what IS right and strive for that higher mark.

    Phil 1:9-11 - "And it is my prayer that your love may abound more and more, with knowledge and all discernment, so that you may approve what is excellent, and so be pure and blameless for the day of Christ, filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God."
    by dragonwriter at 04/03/15 8:37AM
  • deputyheadmistress
    Culture does have some influence on what is sinful, IMO. I mean- the Bible determines certain things are a sin, but in some cases culture determines whether or not you are violating those commands,.

    It's sinful to be disrespectful to the elderly or your parents, for instance. In some cultures that means putting your head down and not looking them in the eye, in others it means looking them in the eye when talking to them.

    we are told that wives are to see to it they respect their husbands- in some cultures, that means never calling them by their first name in public. In the US it would be weird and kind of pretentious if I only ever called Bill 'Husband' or Mr. Capehart when speaking to him in public or about him to others.

    In some places it's rude and somewhat loose for a woman to sit Indian style, in others it's lewd to show the soles of your feet, in others it's deeply disgraceful to kiss in public (even your spouse).

    I guess what I mean is that the Bible determines certain attitudes are sinful, but culture determines, or at least influences whether certain actions, behaviors, or words fall under that attitude or not.
    by deputyheadmistress at 02/11/16 11:09PM
  • mountaingirl
    by mountaingirl at 02/12/16 4:11PM

No knives

Ran again this morning. A lot of people on the track, so though there were no knives involved, there was some chasing/evading, which is good for my running.

3 miles again. 8:38/8:39/8:34 (12:55/12:56) 25:51 total. Love consistent runs. Not really a kick at the end, put I did pick it up a bit for the last 300m.
  • misssonja
    I hope you will be around when some bad guy is chasing me. Plus you need to be in good shape to chase those little people in the photo over there. I haven't seen them in a while, so I bet they are really growing up!
    by misssonja at 03/25/15 10:44AM
  • sirtarin
    ^ They are. :)
    by sirtarin at 03/25/15 3:47PM
  • mountaingirl
    I love YOU!
    by mountaingirl at 03/25/15 4:31PM
  • dragonwriter
    I ran 1/3 mile. 2 days ago. My legs are still useless today.
    by dragonwriter at 03/27/15 1:05PM
  • chessman
    Which one out of the 3 miles did you run? ;-)
    When I started at 2 miles a few weeks ago I was sore for 2 days but my body graciously adjusts to running quickly.
    by chessman at 03/27/15 1:40PM
  • chessman
    So, yesterday's splits were 8:38/8:38/8:38 (12:58/12:56), for 25:54. A whole new level of consistency.
    And Sonja, my 2 elder children have both run 5ks, but so far at least, they're trying to keep up with me ;-)
    by chessman at 03/31/15 8:40AM
  • chessman
    This morning I ran outside my house. Starts with a long downhill, then I turn around and run up it. Hit 1 mile at my house, circle around, run down the hill all the way to the end of the street. Managed to peg it so I hit 5k in the middle of the hill, so I stop halfway up. Cut 1:05 off that run in a few weeks. Even with the hills, running about the same speed as my level runs on the gym track, albeit less consistent.
    by chessman at 04/01/15 9:39AM
  • chessman
    25:16 for 3 miles this morning-with hills!
    by chessman at 04/03/15 4:26PM

More running!

3 miles again. 25:57 (-1:23 :-)
First half: 13:06; second half: 12:51
Mile splits: 8:42/8:46/8:29
Felt a lot more beat after this run than the last one, but each mile was better than my fastest last time. If I can do that again on the next run, I'll beat 25:30. Maybe I'm just a few weeks out from a 24:00.
Yes it's a far cry from my father's recommended 15:00, but oh, well.
  • misssonja
    Okay, I won't say it again, ha! :)
    by misssonja at 03/17/15 1:57PM
  • sirtarin
    by sirtarin at 03/17/15 5:24PM
  • mountaingirl
    Your father has NO room to talk, as this winter has been so hard to get out and do much at all, so maybe you will inspire him to "show you up"! The health insurance just sent us a notice that they now cover a wellness program at some local(well sort of local) places... I really hope we can do something like that.
    by mountaingirl at 03/18/15 3:36PM
  • chessman
    Not feelin' it today. 26:33 (8:43/8:54/8:56) 13:06 first half, 13:27 second half. No kick at the finish.
    I hope next week will find me recovering to Tuesday's pace, and at least I was closer to Tuesday's run than last Wednesday's.
    by chessman at 03/19/15 2:28PM

Running again

Well, sort of running.
The good: 3 miles today
The bad: 27:20
The ugly: That's a 50% increase in distance from any recent run.

The glimmers of hope: First half: 13:45; Second half: 13:35; Mile splits: 9:05/9:20/8:55
  • misssonja
    Well, hot dawg -- it's nice to see your name light up.
    I run only if someone is chasing me with a knife.
    by misssonja at 03/11/15 2:39PM
  • crazy_mama
    Good to see you on here! Tell your family a big HELLO from the Grays! Where are you guys right now?
    by crazy_mama at 03/12/15 5:24AM
  • chessman
    Yes, misssonja, you mentioned that 2 years ago (my last running post) - I'd link it, but it's on this page still. I have been woefully delinquent on the Pleo front.
    by chessman at 03/12/15 2:23PM
  • sirtarin
    Here, with us (Not really meaning Pleoland, they worship at the same congregation we do now.)! =D

    At least you're still faster than ou walking pace. I think we walked to or from the building (1.5 miles, roughly) in 18 minutes, at least several years ago.
    by sirtarin at 03/12/15 4:54PM
  • misssonja
    You're a little delinquent in the Scramble front, too, but I forgive you, ha!
    (At least I'm consistent!)
    by misssonja at 03/13/15 6:39PM
  • mountaingirl
    I agree with misssonja that it is nice to see your name light up! And I also rarely run unless being chased... if they had a knife I might keep going longer even! :-)
    by mountaingirl at 03/18/15 3:30PM


Gen 3:17 "...cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."
The KJV says "for your sake," and I have always assumed it meant "on your account" or "instead of you yourself," but as I was pondering the benefits of work to our spiritual state (if nothing else, it keeps us too busy for as much sin as we could otherwise commit), and wonder if that was exactly what God meant-that He actually cursed the ground for our spiritual benefit, that He provided for our long-term spiritual well-being by providing ample opportunity for necessary labor. Not certain, and it could just be a vagary of translation, but it was an interesting concept nonetheless. Even the curses God puts on us are for our good.
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. 7If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
  • sirtarin
    Very interesting way to look at it. I like it. :)
    by sirtarin at 09/01/13 4:46PM
  • quiltedmama
    We discussed this topic recently in reference to training children, but didn't reference that specific verse. I think it fits though.
    by quiltedmama at 09/01/13 4:55PM
  • misssonja
    I think of the Heb 12 verse often...with gratitude for the discipline I inevitably receive when I have erred, and with fear when I look around me at those who can indulge in wickedness with little ramification. You are right, that hard work is, like discipline, good for the sons and daughters of God. (Which probably reveals why it is so repugnant to half the nation...)
    by misssonja at 09/01/13 11:14PM
  • col_graff
    appropriate LABOR day message Steve ! Hope somehow these illiterate fast food strikers can get it through their thick skulls. The way to higher pay is through hard work, a little self denial,education,and skill development, not theft by mob action.So god has decreed. Get out there and work the ground, plant the seed,yank the weeds and harvest the crop. And goodbye minmum wage job in 5 to 6 years.- Just a little app;ication of "outdated and irrelevant"OT scripture to today's world
    by col_graff at 09/03/13 8:00AM
  • mountaingirl
    Good thoughts... now I'm going to switch the laundry and get to sleep so I can survive work tomorrow (where after a raise this spring as a licensed professional I will make @ $12/hr)....
    by mountaingirl at 09/03/13 9:45PM
  • midnightlynx83
    I hadn't though of this one in that way before, but I could def see that being the appropriate way of thinking about it - it ties in well with such tried and true sayings as, "Idle hands are the Devil's workshop." Good thoughts!
    by midnightlynx83 at 01/19/14 10:33AM