Let you "Yea" be "Yea"

DEVALUING "I DO"

by Al Diestelkamp

The words, "I do" are heard on solemn occasions, such as wedding vows, court cases, swearing-in ceremonies, and when one is asked before baptism if he believes that Jesus is God's Son.

God takes vows very seriously. The law of Moses said: "If a man vows a vow to the Lord, or swears an oath to bind himself by some agreement, he shall not break his word; he shall do according to all that proceeds out of his mouth" (Num. 30:2). Later, Solomon revealed that "When you make a vow to God, do not delay to pay it; For He has no pleasure in fools. Pay what you have vowed. It is better not to vow than to vow and not pay" (Eccl. 5:4-5).

While we are not under the law of Moses, Jesus warned against the indiscriminate oath or vow and said, "Do not swear at all . . . but let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' be 'No.'. . ." (see Matt. 5:33-37). We need to tell the truth at all times. We don't need an oath to strengthen our word.

Throughout the years "I do" has come to mean anything anyone wants it to mean. Couples who have solemnly said "I do" before God, family and friends, have not kept their "until death do us part" promises; Politicians who have said "I do" with their hands on Bibles seem to think nothing of violating their oaths; Witnesses before judges and juries no longer are expected to "tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth."

Though we are becoming accustomed to breaking of vows, I'm confident that God will bring each one into account (see Matt. 12:36-37). Those who say, "I do," but don't, are liars, who along with other immoral people "will have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death" (Rev. 21:8).

Think about that when you're tempted to be unfaithful to your spouse, or contemplate divorce, or backslide from your faithfulness to the Lord.


Someone recently asked me if I thought we needed to change the vows we take when we get married. We vow to remain married until we die, but what we really mean is until we die or our spouse commits fornication. So maybe our vows should reflect that, or maybe we should honor our vows the way we stated them. I'm not sure how far I would push this point, but I know this: I intend to keep the vows I made to my wife in the presence of God. It should certainly give us all cause to carefully evaluate our vows.

-- brewer

  • lovnprayers
    H.E. Phillips performed our wedding. In our vows he said "Do you pledge, promise, and vow before God and all these witnesses... " We couldn't get out of this marriage with a neclear bomb. LOL We are going to be celebrating our 30 anniversary this comming year and divorce isn't even an option in our life. In a throw-away society too many go into marriage thinking if it doesn't work we'll just try someone else. I really believe that if both people are Christians they can make the marriage
    by lovnprayers at 10/14/04 7:06PM
  • lovnprayers
    work because of their common goal as Christians. Love can and does grow.
    by lovnprayers at 10/14/04 7:08PM
  • lovnprayers
    Thanks for the post although I might be just a little predjudice. Al has had some really wonderful sermons and I am so thankful that we have him. He's a good man.
    by lovnprayers at 10/14/04 7:09PM
  • brewer
    But, Adam, that is exactly my point. Too many people, especially Christians, have the attitude "I do, unless of course you commit adultery, and then I am outta here." In other words, they will make no attempt to fix the problem, they're not willing to sacrifice their own will and good for that of another. That's where these MDR doctrines of multiple putting aways, putting away after divorce, etc., all come from.
    by brewer at 10/15/04 8:18AM
  • arual
    I think this attitude towards marriage stems from the other ideas you talked about on your blog- "God would want me to be happy." God would want you to leave an adulterous spouse in order to find happiness elsewhere. Well, happiness in marriage is not something owed to us, it is a privilege. Yes, adultery does allow for divorce, but shouldnt you try and work on the real problem before just moving on to greener pastures? If you dont fix the problems (many of them in yourself), you will not be..
    by arual at 10/15/04 11:14AM
  • arual
    ...Guaranteed to find happiness with someone else. So stick it out, fix the problem, or just remain divorced and single! Peope put so much of a focus on personal comfort and happiness, and not enough on the lives that we need to live for God.
    by arual at 10/15/04 11:16AM
  • lovnprayers
    I had a cousin who didn't like their son-in-law and they were hoping he would commit adultery so their daughter could get out of the marriage. Don't worry they are still married. I told her she was so wrong. I think just because divorce is allowed for adultery doesn't mean it's manditory. If at all possible it should try to be worked out so souls won't be lost.
    by lovnprayers at 10/15/04 12:04PM
  • brewer
    It certainly seems that some view divorce as a command in instances of adultery. When I look at it, I see an option, and one that God allows, but doesn't like. God HATES divorce. Let's keep that in mind as well.
    by brewer at 10/15/04 12:07PM
  • lovnprayers
    AMEN!!!
    by lovnprayers at 10/15/04 12:15PM
  • lovnprayers
    My personal feeling is that if someone has the attitude that they are happy when the other one commits adultery then I'm wondering how they will be justified in remarrying. How much did they play a part in the other person leaving. I understand that the other is responsible for their actions but I am also responsible for being what I need to be as a spouse as well.
    by lovnprayers at 10/15/04 4:36PM
  • brewer
    Jesus said that the one who divorces his mate causes her to commit adultery. That can certainly be true before the divorce as well.
    by brewer at 10/15/04 4:56PM
  • lovnprayers
    Amen to that!
    by lovnprayers at 10/15/04 5:28PM
  • suzyhomemaker
    is your AIM not working because I dont see you on
    by suzyhomemaker at 10/18/04 1:51PM
  • lovnprayers
    Have Suzy email me your phone number and I will give you all a call and let you know about Monday. I'm not sure were we will be. We had talked about going down to see the Henneck's in Alabama Sunday and stay with them that night but I'm not sure what the plans will be. We can do something I'm sure.
    by lovnprayers at 10/18/04 6:43PM
  • ward
    I think I would argue that the fornication exception is implied in the vow. And I would certainly argue against focusing on it at the wedding. If we're getting married thinking about how we can get out of it later, then we probably shouldn't be getting married.
    by ward at 10/21/04 12:29PM
  • brewer
    Ok, I wasn't saying that I really think people should include the fornication exception in their vows. I certainly didn't in mine. I'm just saying that we need to take our vows seriously. I understand that God allows that exception. I don't believe that God wants or expects us to exercise that option just because it is there. God hates divorce. Wouldn't he be happier with us if we NEVER got divorced?
    by brewer at 10/21/04 1:37PM
  • lovnprayers
    Happy Anniversary!!! Have a wonderful day together.
    by lovnprayers at 10/25/04 12:14PM

Another from THINK...

I know this one is long, but I thought it was a great article. I hope you take the time to read the whole thing.

"I Think God Would Want Me to Be Happy!"

By Andy Diestelkamp

The man walked away from his marriage and his two children. A year later he found another woman who made him feel "alive." His first marriage had been a struggle from the beginning, and it had only gotten worse. He wasn't happy; neither was she. He had always viewed divorce as wrong, but his situation was unique. When questioned from a biblical perspective about his plans to marry again, he acknowledged that he had no right, but he said, "I think God would want me to be happy."

The girl was just sixteen. She came from a broken home. Her father had divorced her mother ten years previously. Although outgoing and popular at school, she still struggled with insecurities. She craved the attention the boys gave her. She knew fornication was wrong, but her situation was unique. She was lonely and being with "him" made her feel happy and secure. When questioned from a biblical perspective about her immoral intimacy, she acknowledged it wasn't right, but she said, "I think God would want me to be happy." She never imagined that she would get pregnant after just one time. She was scared. A baby would change all of her plans for the future. She became depressed. She went to the clinic and poured out her heart to a counselor. She couldn't consider abortion. God wouldn't like that. The counselor said, "I think God would want you to be happy."

The woman, divorced for sixteen years, had had a hard life. Her "ex" was remarried and happy. Her oldest daughter had left home five years ago; they had not spoken since the abortion. Her son had just graduated from high school. Neither of her children had ever obeyed the gospel. Bitterness and discouragement crept into her heart. The church she was part of was small and aging. She wasn't happy. Her friends from work invited her to their church. She went. She found people her own age in her own circumstances. They bonded. The small and aging church got smaller and aged some more. When the woman was approached about her exchange of the truth of God for a lie, she acknowledged that her new church did some things she was uncomfortable with, but she said, "I think God would want me to be happy."

The, "I think God would want me to be happy" line has been used by many to justify their immorality and apostasy. The rationale is based on a self-centered definition of happiness and the assumption that God wants that kind of happiness for us. This rationalization ignores or is blind to all the unhappiness in its wake. The man divorces to be happy but leaves behind an unhappy family. The girl fornicates to be happy and increases her unhappiness. She aborts to be happy and deprives her child of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The mother abandons her faith to be happy. All of this is done because people presume that God wants them to be happy.

Can you imagine? Eve observes the potential of the forbidden fruit to make her happy and reasons, "I know that God said, 'you shall not eat,' but I think God would want me to be happy," (Gen. 3:6). We ought to consider that God's boundaries are established for our happiness.

Ahab couldn't be happy unless he had a certain vineyard. "I know that God said, 'you shall not kill,' but I think God would want me to be happy." Did Ahab and Jezebel give any consideration to Naboth's happiness (1 Ki. 21:4-7)?

Demas may have reasoned, "I know I should stay and work with Paul, but I think God would want me to be happy," (2 Tim. 4:10). This may hit a little close to home if our personal happiness is determined by how well things happen to be going for us in this present world. Many rationalize and excuse themselves from sacrificial spiritual service because, ultimately, we think God would want us to be happy!

In our affluence we have become obsessed with the importance of being happy. Solomon had been there and done that and concluded that it is vanity (Eccl. 2:1-11). George Bernard Shaw quipped, "The secret of being miserable is to have leisure to bother about whether you are happy or not." Indeed, for many the quest for "happiness" has only brought greater misery.

People are looking for happiness in all the wrong places. Most recall Solomon's conclusion to "Fear God and keep His commandments for this is the whole duty of man," (Eccl. 12:13), but miss that this conclusion is also the key to true and abiding happiness. "Happy are the people whose God is Jehovah," (Psa. 144:15) and whose hope is in Him (Psa. 146:5). Fearing Jehovah and walking in His ways bring happiness to everything from the food you eat to the family with whom you share it (Psa. 128:1-4). Blessing comes to those who revere, trust, and obey Jehovah God (Prov. 16:20; 28:14; 29:18). It is not the pursuit of happiness that brings happiness but the pursuit of God's will.

The exemplary models of faith are not found pursuing happiness. What kind of example would Job have been if he had just given up to be happier? It is his endurance through extreme unhappiness that makes him noteworthy (Jas. 5:10,11). What if Mary had decided she would be happier if she aborted her Child? Ultimately, Mary found her happiness in being able to serve the will of God (Lk. 1:38).

If Jesus had decided He would have been happier in heaven we would be lost! We are called to imitate Jesus' selfless attitude (Phil. 2:5-8). When a man divorces his wife for personal happiness, he is not esteeming others better than himself (vs. 3). When a woman aborts her child to achieve happiness, she is looking out for her own interests and not the interests of her baby (vs. 4). These attitudes do not reflect the mind of Christ.

God has not called us to happiness as we define happiness. On the contrary, we have been called to suffer, if need be, for the cause of Christ (1 Pet. 2:19-21). It is better to suffer for doing good than to do evil in a misguided effort to be happy (3:17). There is no value in suffering as an evildoer, yet if any suffers as a Christian there is no shame, but an occasion to rejoice and be glad (4:12-16).

Does God want you to be happy? Indeed he does! Yet, the scriptures that inform you that God desires your eternal happiness also say that He hates divorce (Mal. 2:16), and that we must flee fornication (1 Cor. 6:18), and that God hates hands that shed innocent blood (Prov. 6:17), and that we must be faithful unto death (Rev. 2:10).

None of God's word can be ignored or compromised to secure the happiness that God offers. Yes, God wants us to be happy, and that is why we must hate what He hates and love what He loves. Jesus said, "If you know these things, happy are you if you do them," (Jn. 13:17). If you do not have the happiness that God offers, then either you don't know the things of God or you aren't doing them.

-- brewer

  • brewer
    If you're not visiting the THINK Magazine site, you should be. :^)
    by brewer at 09/30/04 10:34PM
  • lovnprayers
    Andy is a great speaker if you ever get a chance to hear him. His dad is our preacher. Thanks for posting this.
    by lovnprayers at 09/30/04 10:37PM
  • brewer
    I've heard Al once here in Bowling Green. Karl is preaching at least his third meeting in Pittsburgh this week, where my dad works full time. I have much respect for the Diestelkamps. Their reputation is excellent.
    by brewer at 09/30/04 10:40PM
  • tu_madre
    i've never even HEARD of think magazine...
    by tu_madre at 09/30/04 10:41PM
  • lovnprayers
    Karl is a great speaker too. It runs in the family. Andy's Grandpa, Leslie was a wonderful man and a great preacher. That is truely a Godly family. There are generations of preachers in that family.
    by lovnprayers at 09/30/04 10:44PM
  • lovnprayers
    You can go to the web site and request a subscription or simply read the whole thing online. There are back issues on there as well.
    by lovnprayers at 09/30/04 10:47PM
  • brewer
    Hence the link in my first response. :^)
    by brewer at 09/30/04 10:51PM
  • lovnprayers
    I know I was going to post that then I saw that yo already had.
    by lovnprayers at 09/30/04 11:01PM
  • lovnprayers
    What is your dad's name. I went to FC with a Ted Brewer.
    by lovnprayers at 09/30/04 11:03PM
  • jmetzger
    Super article, Shawn. I had a discussion about this recently with a good friend of mine. I heard a preacher say, "God’s main thrust for our lives isn’t our happiness and satisfaction. It’s His desire that we live according to His perfect will, which is always in our best interest." When we’re in sync with God’s plan, we can rest assured that it’s the ideal situation, even if it doesn’t make sense or meet our approval. :-) Thanks for the post! Very encouraging.
    by jmetzger at 10/01/04 6:40AM
  • kiss_the_rain
    Great, great, good article!
    by kiss_the_rain at 10/02/04 2:11AM
  • suzyhomemaker
    (k)
    by suzyhomemaker at 10/04/04 2:39PM
  • hammys
    good stuff, thanks:)
    by hammys at 10/05/04 10:32PM
  • toto321
    that is a great article. thanks mucho.
    by toto321 at 10/13/04 12:57PM
  • suzyhomemaker
    love you
    by suzyhomemaker at 10/14/04 12:39PM

Matthew 21:28-32

"But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard. He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went. And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not. Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you. For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him."
  • jmetzger
    hmm...
    by jmetzger at 06/16/04 10:08AM
  • tu_madre
    i'm a harlot.
    by tu_madre at 06/16/04 9:27PM
  • isabeau_danjou
    Suz told me to post what time tonight on your blog....so how about 6:30. That way we don't finish the movie too late. :) I need my beauty sleep, after all.
    by isabeau_danjou at 06/17/04 8:45AM
  • brewer
    What in the world does that mean???
    by brewer at 06/17/04 9:51AM
  • brewer
    I was hoping to get some commentary from folks, but no one has said much. I guess my point is that we can say "Praise Jesus" until we're blue in the face, but until we do what God asks of us, we're not really pleasing Him.
    by brewer at 06/17/04 10:09AM
  • smileofdawn
    my, but you have an extremely bright and unusual weblog. Good verses.
    by smileofdawn at 06/20/04 3:40PM
  • smileofdawn
    I think I see now how Ben's weblog got all messed up.
    by smileofdawn at 06/20/04 3:41PM
  • bleeding_heart
    :) You are an interesting guy! ^_^ That's a cute pic!!
    by bleeding_heart at 06/21/04 11:41AM
  • bleeding_heart
    ...Everyone else of your links has a name; mine's Victoria, if you care to know. Do you read heliocentric's blog? He's the best!!! His friend swandieve is really interesting too.
    by bleeding_heart at 06/21/04 11:45AM
  • kiss_the_rain
    hit me when the worms start [crawling|eternalsunshine.
    by kiss_the_rain at 06/24/04 7:46AM

Morals

Morals in the Pulpit and in the Pew

By Leslie Diestelkamp

Once, when I preached a sermon on morals, a mature man in the congregation asked to speak. For perhaps two or three minutes he exhorted the people, giving complete endorsement to what I had preached. I believe his endorsement may have impressed the people more than my sermon had. It would be a good thing, everywhere, if elders and/or other mature, devout men would publicly concur in teaching of truth on moral matters. The more worldly ones would then come to realize that morality is a matter for all, not just for preachers. We need more morals in the pew as well as in the pulpit.

In the same city where I preached the above-mentioned sermon, an elderly lady attended the services. I visited her, and in the course of such I inquired how she happened to attend. She said that "her church" was far across the city and that her son had urged her to attend with us. Her son was foreman in a plant over the very man mentioned above who exhorted the people when I preached. Her son so admired the morals of his worker that he told his mother, "that church must be all right" because that man went there.

Of course, I do not mean that the morality of the people necessarily makes a church right. People may indeed be moral and still be very wrong doctrinally. On the other hand, regardless of the purity of doctrine that is preached, a church can't be right before God and fruitful among men unless the morals of the members are above reproach. In fact, correctness (scripturalness) in worship, work and organization is made attractive to the world by genuine morality and good works (Matt. 5:15-16).

When Christians teach the whole truth, many people will reject it and rebel against it. Yet some may be won to receptiveness and later to obedience through the godliness of Christians. Conversely, any scriptural position a church may take is made quite inconsequential to the world if the people do not live in holiness. A preacher's sermon on morals falls very flat if the congregation does not exemplify the highest ideals. Especially the leaders (elders, deacons, preachers, etc.) and their wives need to maintain untainted reputations that will portray the very same ideals as are proclaimed in the sermons.

Instead of always whining and complaining about the morals of the world about us, God's people would do better to just demonstrate, in the pulpit and the pew, the qualities that are desirable. Let us say and do, preach and live moral purity of the very highest possible degree. Let the thoughts of our minds, the words of our lips and the deeds of our bodies be holy, godly and righteous altogether. This would abound to the glory of God, to satisfaction in life and usefulness to the world.

  • toto321
    Good article. I aggree.
    by toto321 at 05/28/04 10:00PM
  • tu_madre
    how many diestelkamps are there? you've got at least 4 here now (-:
    by tu_madre at 05/28/04 10:49PM
  • brewer
    Well, brother Leslie has passed on to his reward. I'm not sure how many others there are. Karl, David, Al and Andy that I'm sure of. At least, those are the ones who write for Think Magazine, which is a family run affair.
    by brewer at 05/28/04 10:59PM
  • smileofdawn
    That was an excellent article!
    by smileofdawn at 05/30/04 1:58PM
  • smileofdawn
    Who's the "Squirt"?
    by smileofdawn at 05/30/04 1:59PM

What do you wear?

Why Do You Think They Call Them Shorts?

By Karl Diestelkamp

Warm weather is here again and already the public "peel" has taken place as men, women and children go about scantily clad. Every year some Christians seem determined to debate the issue of "what is modest?" seemingly hoping that God's word may have changed somehow. I don't want to sound unkind or impatient, but it gets discouraging to have to go over the same ground every year with essentially the same people who almost never come with an affirmative argument to defend clothing that does not cover the body.

No one disputes that 1 Tim. 2:9 mandates "modest apparel" and that the "adorning" under consideration is to be "with shame-fastness and sobriety" (ASV). Shamefast-ness is "with a sense of shame" and sobriety is "sound judgment." What is so hard about that for someone who wants to practice things that are absolutely right and cannot be wrong?

No one disputes that Matt. 5:28 teaches that "whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." Some will say that this is the man's problem in such a case. Certainly he has an obligation to control his eyes and his thoughts. But what Christian, would want to dress in such a way to encourage such lustful "looking" by anyone?

After we have discussed the near nude environment of the public beach and mixed swimming, the lustful appeal of too tight, too low, too short, and too revealing clothing, someone invariably asks, "But, what about shorts?" After all of that, my answer is, "Why do you think they call them shorts?" Is there a "clue" somewhere in that word? Are shorts "revealing" to others or not? Now someone says,"But what about long shorts?" If they are "long" why are they "shorts?" Maybe words don't mean anything any more!


Skin Is In

By David Diestelkamp

Advertising this spring and summer's bare fashions, a popular magazine's cover reads, "Skin is In!" Of course, public exposure of skin has always been "in" with some, but it has rarely been so socially acceptable. Bare and revealing styles have, in fact, now become expected. Today, social pressures are compounded by the difficulty of finding decent clothes in the stores.

Are we thinking? Most people act as though they are not thinking about decency. Maybe this is to be expected of the world, but even some Christians act like God doesn't care what we wear. Have we forgotten that Jesus is Lord both of our bodies and how we clothe them? God has spoken, "women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works" (1 Tim. 2:9-11). Is this the foundation of our thinking while shopping for our wardrobe and getting dressed in the morning?

Are we searching? I am well aware of the fact that some Christians struggle with the above verse in determining exactly what is modest. Unfortunately, the question "Where do you draw the line" has turned into a worn out excuse for having no objective line at all. This question should drive us, hungering and thirsting (Matt. 5:6), into a daily search of the Scriptures to find out what is right (Ac. 17:11). In all other areas we say, "Stand still--don't act--until you know you can do so in full faith that it is right!" How can we allow ourselves to wear clothing that we are not 100% sure is modest?

What is our standard? Everyone has a "line"--a point of propriety and decency for at least some situations. The world derives its clothing standards from things like what feels good (pleasure, comfort, sexual appeal, etc.), what looks good (style, attractiveness, etc.), and popularity (fashion, fad, etc.). Note that these are based in the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. John warns us that this "is not of the Father but is of the world. And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever" (1 Jn. 2:16-17). As Christians, we are looking to a much higher rule. It is God and His Word which are our standard in all things. Does what we wear appeal to the standards of God or men? Stop wearing it if it cannot be justified by God's Word!

It is disturbing that many Christians act as though we need authority for everything we do, except for what we wear. They reject lessons on modesty and propriety, as well as suggested biblical "lines," but then offer nothing as a substitute standard. The rejection of an interpretation or proposed standard does not free someone to act lawlessly--it obligates them to find the truth!

What do our clothes say? We are speaking to God, not just men, by what we wear. Do our clothes say that we are "professing godliness, with good works"? Of course we won't always be dressed like everyone else--they aren't professing the same thing we are! In fact, we are going to stand out "in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world" (Phil. 2:15).

  • brewer
    Hope you don't think I was being mean either, because that was not my intent. :^)
    by brewer at 05/25/04 3:17PM
  • brewer
    I think this type of discussion can be profitable, if we stick to Scripture and if we give each other the benefit of the doubt when it comes to tone. I never assume someone is trying to be mean unless it is so blatently obvious that even I can't miss the point. Otherwise, I don't worry about tone too much, because as you said, it's hard to read in text only.
    by brewer at 05/25/04 3:19PM
  • kiss_the_rain
    I missed a lot of the convo.. but one thing I wanted to say.. Why do we try to get as close to the line as possible anyway? To look cool, to be in fashion..? I'd much rather go to Heaven for not walking as close to the line as possible then try to bargain and justify wearing something "iffy", especially if it might cause lust.. We try to talk everyone else into thinking somethings okay so we feel like we can wear it.. but why don't we just take the examples given in Ex.28 and
    by kiss_the_rain at 05/26/04 4:26PM
  • kiss_the_rain
    Matthew 5 and directly apply them? We often act like we're being "jipped" of some RIGHT we should be given when someone tells us we shouldn't wear this or that. Lets open our eyes and realize we need to stop defending things we WANT to do and live as RIGHTEOUS examples to the world?
    by kiss_the_rain at 05/26/04 4:28PM
  • brewer
    You make an excellent point about trying to justify what WE want to do, rather than submitting our lives to God's will. Isn't that the whole point of Christianity, to submit to God's will in all and lay aside our own wills?
    by brewer at 05/26/04 4:37PM
  • mandymara
    I know I haven't been apart of this convo, but I was reading over it and this is all very invigorating to me...to see Christians discussing issues on areas that I don't really understand myself.
    by mandymara at 05/27/04 12:18PM
  • mandymara
    I was wondering why some of you guys were bringing up the issue of priest's clothing...am I a priest?? I'm having a hard time defining modesty for ME. You'd think that God would give us a passage that says something specific...but not neccesarily one about priests...right?? I'm just kinda confused.
    by mandymara at 05/27/04 12:23PM
  • brewer
    The point of using the passage about the priest's clothing is that it defines what God holds as "nakedness". That passage explains that priests wore undergarmets that went from hip to knee to cover their thighs, just in case someone could see under their robes while they were performing their duties. Some of those duties required them to be at an elevated level compared to the rest of the people. The long undergarmets were a precaution.
    by brewer at 05/27/04 3:17PM
  • brewer
    It should also be pointed out that there can be a difference between naked and nude. Naked describes someone without enough clothing on. I.e., the priests wore the undergarmets to cover their nakedness. They obviously wore other clothing (their robes), so they weren't nude, but it was still possible for them to be naked. So, you can be naked without being nude, but you can't be nude without being naked. :^)
    by brewer at 05/27/04 3:17PM
  • kiss_the_rain
    Which congregation etc will he be at? They rarely have sound preachers down there, so I don't get to go too often! :) gimme details :o)
    by kiss_the_rain at 05/28/04 11:02AM