Friends

I've decided to compile a list of everyone who is on Pleonast that I have actually met in person. I'm sure the list is not yet exhaustive. You can find the list here. If you're not on the list and feel you should be, remind me of when I met you. :^)

If you'd like to be added to my friends list and have access to the private blogs, leave a message and I'll take it under consideration.
  • donnajo
    You've met me...lucky!
    by donnajo at 05/09/06 8:11PM
  • iammountainfolk
    you've met me and my wife, Hilary
    by iammountainfolk at 05/09/06 11:37PM
  • caraboo
    For some reason I find that list hilarious. Please tell me you did that at work and got paid for it :)
    by caraboo at 05/10/06 12:05AM
  • lrfs611
    you asked if i remember you, well.... which brewer are you Shawn? Of course i remember all the brewer boys. Just couldn't find on here your first name.
    by lrfs611 at 05/10/06 9:43AM
  • friedaj
    Are you related to Steve and Joy Brewer?
    by friedaj at 05/10/06 9:47PM
  • friedaj
    Steve is a minister in the Columbus area and has held a gospel meeting for us and I met Joy at a women's retreat and through my daughter so I am not really familiar with their family ancestry. Thanks for the response.
    by friedaj at 05/12/06 8:23AM
  • fullofgrace
    i just laughed at you.
    in a good way.
    by fullofgrace at 05/14/06 5:18PM
  • onelittlecandle
    That's a fun idea!
    by onelittlecandle at 05/20/06 12:48PM
  • a_starr
    No offense taken on the technicality that I am his fiancee, not fiance. Since he doesn't have a fiance.... well, there's noone to be offended! hehehe....
    by a_starr at 05/24/06 12:53PM
  • a_starr
    LOL You "fixed" it!
    by a_starr at 05/24/06 1:18PM
  • sweetpea
    I hope you'll get to meet me Wednesday night! :)
    by sweetpea at 06/26/06 8:13PM

Going private

As a gold member, I'm exercising my option to go private. My friends list is short at the moment. If you'd like to be added, leave a message and I'll take it under consideration.
  • curlie
    I'd like to be on your friends list. :)
    by curlie at 05/01/06 9:11AM
  • jeffh
    i'm not your friend anymore?
    by jeffh at 05/01/06 10:28AM
  • caraboo
    I guess I could be your friend. After all, you are mine :)
    by caraboo at 05/01/06 12:27PM
  • herofortheday
    Our families go back a ways...
    by herofortheday at 05/01/06 1:42PM
  • herofortheday
    Oh, you're on right now. Cool.
    by herofortheday at 05/01/06 2:01PM
  • sjbgurl
    I've never met you, but have met your brother..does that count enough to stay?
    by sjbgurl at 05/01/06 5:24PM
  • caraboo
    whose nanny is that with jacob and skylar?
    by caraboo at 05/01/06 6:20PM
  • musicloverbp103
    hey my brother is new can u say hi ??its footballdude thanks bye
    by musicloverbp103 at 05/01/06 7:27PM
  • mamabear
    Can I be on your friends list?
    by mamabear at 05/02/06 10:23AM
  • fullofgrace
    hey...good luck on your job interview. :)
    by fullofgrace at 05/03/06 7:45AM
  • a_starr
    It concerns me that you have 2 wives on your friends list..... ;)
    I hope your job interview goes well today!
    by a_starr at 05/03/06 8:38AM
  • brewer
    It's not really 2 wives. It's just that my one wife aparently has 2 personalities. :^)
    by brewer at 05/03/06 8:48AM
  • roadwarrior
    Hey, man! Hope your interview went well!
    by roadwarrior at 05/04/06 10:11AM
  • be_with_me_lord
    Sorry to hear things didn't go as you had hoped, perhaps God has some greater plan for you :)
    by be_with_me_lord at 05/05/06 11:14PM
  • fullofgrace
    come see pictures of how ridiculously big my brothers are getting...
    by fullofgrace at 05/07/06 3:20PM
  • fullofgrace
    ben's coming to western in the fall..:)
    by fullofgrace at 05/07/06 3:21PM
  • fullofgrace
    i should post a picture on here from my homeschooler days with three feet of hair and my john denver aviator glasses....
    by fullofgrace at 05/07/06 3:53PM
  • jmetzger
    You could consider putting your favorite kid in Bible class on your friends list... maybe I'll make extra comments in class or something. :-)
    by jmetzger at 05/08/06 4:04PM

Extremes

"Darling I don't know why I go to extremes
Too high or too low there ain't no in-betweens
And if I stand or I fall
It's all or nothing at all
Darling I don't know why I go to extremes"

Have you ever felt like this about religion? That people take one of two extreme positions if an effort to counter the errors of the other extreme?

Consider salvation. Protestants push grace to the exculsion of obedience. Christians push obedience to the exclusion of grace. Isn't the truth in the middle? Are both important to our salvation? It happened in Biblical times too. Romans appears to be the answer to those who depend solely on their own works. James, on the other hand, appears to answer those sit back and expect God to take them for a ride.

I've said all of that to get to this: I see a lot of this type of positioning with regard to the woman's role in the home. Some go to Titus 2 and claim if a woman who is married does any kind of work outside the home, she isn't a true homemaker. Others go to Proverbs 31 and claim that it's perfectly fine to work 40-60 hours a week, neglecting husband and children (who spend all that time being raised by someone other than their parents), because the "worthy woman" bought fields and made clothing to sell. Isn't the truth somewhere in the middle? Does anyone really believe that the worthy woman held down a 40 hour-a-week job? Does anyone really believe that the women in Titus 2 never left their homes?

It is obvious that the worthy woman did many things that were financially beneficial for her family. That included buying fields and making clothing to sell. She also arose before daylight to make food for the entire household. I find if funny that it is so rare that anyone talks about that verse in Proverbs 31. With that said, it doesn't take a long look at Titus 2 to figure out that it is not God's intent for women to be "bread winners" for the household. Isn't that command given to the husband? How many young women have not been taught to "to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands," because the women who are supposed to be teaching them these things are too busy working their full-time jobs to practice them, let alone teach them?

I actually heard a preacher say from the pulpit that Titus 2 doesn't really mean that older women have to actually teach, it just means that they have to be an example of those things. First, that is a ridiculous statement. Second, if they're not practicing those things, how are they an example of them?

Jesus said, "Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done." Unfortunately, it seems that many times our decisions in this area are dictated by what we want, not what God wants. Some will say, "You can't prove to me that such-and-such is wrong." Fine. You're probably right. But, by the same token, can you really look me (or anyone) in the eye and say, "This is what God wants me to do."? Do we really believe that God wants wives to spend more time in the work-place than they do caring for their husbands and children and seeing those needs met? On the flip side, do we really believe that God wants wives to stay in the house all the time and never do anything that might be considered "work outside the home"? If that's the case, then the worthy woman wasn't very worthy, was she?

I think we get caught up in the "keeping up with the Joneses" mentality (apologies if your name really is Jones) more than we want to admit. How often have you heard "I have to work." Well, wives have to work in order to have that nicer home that we never enjoy because we're too busy working. Or they have to work to support our other lifestyle choices and all the toys we want in life. Are there situations where a wife might actually have to work? Certainly. But it's not as often as some folks would have us believe. And how about we quit using the exception to redefine the rule.

This is really hitting home with me right now. I look at my co-workers and hear about where they live and think "I can't afford a house in that neighborhood, and they should be making about what I make." And then I think, "If my wife had a full-time job, we could afford that house, too." Not because I want my wife working full-time, it's just a recognition that that is how they afford what I can't. I think I'll just live with the smaller home (whenever we end up buying).
  • bonnyswan
    nice points...people often neglect to consider that even though the prov 31 woman worked, it was for her family's benefit, not to fulfill her career goals, and she didn't have a 'boss' other than her husband, if you will...i once heard someone say that like the prov 31 woman had servants to help, daycare was a similar form of 'outsourcing' while a woman worked. yikes.
    by bonnyswan at 03/30/06 2:04PM
  • be_with_me_lord
    Good, encouraging post Shawn. Our preacher frequently talks about not going to extremes in teaching about Truth.
    by be_with_me_lord at 03/30/06 6:47PM
  • sjbgurl
    Good post, thanks for sharing. I'm only 16 so I've thought about what I wany to do and taking care of my family (Lord willing I have one) before a job is definately one of them.
    by sjbgurl at 03/30/06 7:33PM
  • flyonthewall
    Excellent. Nothing more to say!
    by flyonthewall at 03/30/06 8:01PM
  • big_bertha_blue
    excellent post. I agree completly that women shouldn't be working to the point that their family is neglected. That point has raised several questions in my mind of why I'm getting a degree right now. I want a career, but not at the expense of my family...so why go in debt for a career that I will gladly give up for a future family? But on another note... I recommend reading the book Beautiful in God's Eyes by Elizabeth George. She goes into incredible detail about the life of the Proverbs 31 woman.
    by big_bertha_blue at 03/30/06 9:32PM
  • ucnclmeal
    well said
    by ucnclmeal at 03/31/06 10:20AM
  • quinners24
    I enjoyed this post, especially the Billy Joel reference.
    by quinners24 at 03/31/06 10:45AM
  • dave
    i've had some similar thoughts about the role of women in the home. i think there are, as you say, extremes to be avoided on both sides.
    by dave at 04/01/06 3:35AM
  • kmbrewcrew
    One consideration that is not really addressed here is the attitude of the woman. Why is it that she wants to go out and get a job? is it because she is unfulfilled? if that is the case, then she is missing the point and responsibility of being a homemaker. You did address "keeping up with the joneses", which is another problem.
    by kmbrewcrew at 04/01/06 8:28AM
  • kmbrewcrew
    and, being a "homemaker" is something that others see in a good woman. i have heard many women who have to constantly tell people that their first priority is their home and/or children. you don't have to tell others this, if that is really the priority. if her time is consumed by other things (like a job) to the point that she has to defend her home maker status, then she better re-evaluate her priorities.
    by kmbrewcrew at 04/01/06 8:30AM
  • kmbrewcrew
    and what is it that she always talks about? that is another clue as to her priorities. If she is always talking about her job, then it is easy for others to see that her job is the most important thing to her.
    by kmbrewcrew at 04/01/06 8:31AM
  • kmbrewcrew
    Too often, women today try to figure out "what they are allowed to do" in regards to taking a job outside the house. it is often one of those questions like "how short is too short?" It is a "what can i get by with" question.
    by kmbrewcrew at 04/01/06 8:32AM
  • kmbrewcrew
    From a personal perspective, some of the most godly women that i know have dedicated themselves to being home makers. they put their home and family first, and then dedicate many hours to helping others, bible studies, and spiritual growth (for themselves and others). They wouldn't have time for job :)
    by kmbrewcrew at 04/01/06 9:03AM
  • glenn
    Excellent post! Extremism is a major problem in just about every area of life, not just in the church or "religious circles." I've been thinking about this a lot lately, extremism that is, and I wonder is that the root of these problems? I have come to the conclusion that extremism is but a symptom of an improper attitude. I genuinely believe that anyone who has the right attitude will WANT to obey God, to love others, to put other's concerns before their own, etc, etc, etc! How do we figure out what the right attitude is? We study our Bible! This idea thus implies that studying our Bible is vitally important!!! We can't live right if we don't now how! Such a simple idea, but I fear that far too many people fail to grasp its' importance!
    by glenn at 04/01/06 3:44PM
  • dewswife
    Amen! It is sad to see Christian women who stay home have to defend themselves to other women, men and other Christians.On more then one occasion I was made to feel worthless and stupid because I don't go to work.
    by dewswife at 04/01/06 4:43PM
  • brewer
    You make some good points. I would say, however, that the attitude problem goes both ways. Sometimes a woman feels the need to speak about her priorities because others attack her because she does anything that generates money for the family and very nearly equates such with blasphemy. Hence my post on extremism.
    by brewer at 04/01/06 4:59PM
  • brewer
    It is wrong for Christians to belittle the woman who chooses to hold no job outside the home. My wife has endured the same thing that you have described. I think it's just as wrong, however, to take the opposite extreme.
    by brewer at 04/01/06 5:01PM
  • caraboo
    I've always found it so sad when Christian woman belittle each other like that. I'm looking for a passage that says it is any of their business how many hours a week I work, how much I make and if I'm going to quit when I have children.
    by caraboo at 04/01/06 5:05PM
  • brewer
    I think concern can be warranted and should be appreciated, however, many times the one expressing concern does so in such a way to alienate the other person, rather than draw them into fruitful discussion.
    by brewer at 04/01/06 5:10PM

Worthy of Worship

by Andy Diestelkamp
via Think Magazine

"You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve," (Matt. 4:10; Lk. 4:8). Jesus responded to Satan's temptation in this manner, making it clear that only Jehovah is worthy of worship (Jehovah is the name of the God of the Hebrews--See Ex. 3:1-18; Deut. 6:13).

Why Jehovah God alone is deserving of this level of respect and adoration is clearly announced in John's vision of the heavenly throne (Rev. 4). In that spectacular scene the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders gave glory, honor, and thanks to Almighty God (vs. 9) while they cast their crowns before Him "who lives forever and ever" in humble recognition of God's superiority and grace (vs. 10). These worshipers declared that God was worthy of this worship because He created all things and all things exist by His will (vs. 11).

Likewise it is clear that created beings are not worthy of the kind of worship that is to be directed toward God. There are some notable examples of this preserved for us. When Peter (by divine order) came to Cornelius, the centurion "fell down at [Peter's] feet and worshiped him. But Peter lifted him up saying, 'Stand up; I myself am also a man'" (Ac. 10:25,26).

None can forget Herod's failure to restrain the people "who kept shouting, 'The voice of a god and not of a man'" (Ac. 12:22). He was punished "because he did not give glory to God" (vs. 23).

Even angels who are higher than men (Heb. 2:7) are not worthy of worship. Twice John fell down to worship the angel which spoke to him. Both times the angel stopped him and bluntly said, "Worship God" (Rev. 19:10; 22:9). Neither the human nor spiritual messenger is worthy of worship--only God.

The exclusivity of worshiping Jehovah as God has prompted some to question whether "Jesus of Nazareth, a man..." (Ac. 2:22) is worthy of the kind of worship reserved for God.

In answering this, keep in mind why Jehovah is worthy of worship (Rev. 4:11) and then read the introduction to John's account of Jesus' life (Jn. 1:1-3). The Word was in the beginning with God and was Himself God. Every created thing was made by the Word. The twenty-four elders cast their crowns before Him who sat on the throne because He created all things; it is therefore reasonable and right to worship the Word for the same reason.

The fact that the Word became flesh (vs. 14) in no way changes the fact that He created all things. That the Word emptied Himself, came in the likeness of men, and humbled Himself to the point of dying on the cross does not in any sense diminish His worthiness to be worshiped then or now. Indeed, "at the name of Jesus every knee should bow" (Phil. 2:7-10).

Scripture testifies to the worthiness of Jesus to receive the worship of men both while in the flesh and after His exaltation. Consider the response of Jesus' disciples after He came to them walking on the water. He had just saved Peter from the consequences of his little faith. This all took place just after they had witnessed the feeding of the five thousand with five loaves and two fish. They had previously heard demons that Jesus had cast out declare Him to be the Son of God (Matt. 8:29). Already the people had surmised that Jesus was the Prophet and tried to annoint Him king--Messiah (Jn. 6:14,15). "Then those who were in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying, 'Truly You are the Son of God!'" (Matt. 14:33). They are not just bowing down to Him to be nice or because they want something from Him. They are not merely paying homage to His power. They have connected the dots and have come to the awesome conclusion that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah, the Son of God. It is with this awe that they worship Him.

If Jesus was not worthy of the kind of worship reserved for God, then why didn't He rebuke His disciples as Peter did to Cornelius or the angel did to John? If Jesus is inappropriately taking glory that belongs only to God, why is He not struck as Herod was? The only conclusion is that Jesus is worthy of the kind of worship reserved for God because He was (and is) deity. He, too, wears the name of Jehovah. (Consider comparisons of Heb. 1:10 with Psa. 102:1,25; Joel 2:32 with Ac. 2:21,22 and Rom. 10:9-13; and Isa. 40:3 with Jn. 1:22-36).

The worthiness of Jesus to receive our worship is confirmed by returning to the throne scene in Revelation 5 and observing that the four creatures and twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb (vs. 8) just as they had before "Him who sits on the throne" (4:9,10). If it was worship to Lord God Almighty, it was worship to the Lamb. The Lamb was worthy to receive, among other things, honor and glory (5:12). Indeed the hosts of heaven and earth worshiped the Lamb as they worshiped "Him who sits on the throne" (vss. 13,14). Therefore, let us who hope and wait for the "glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ" (Tit. 2:13) give glory and honor to Him who is worthy of our worship.

  • pixiedustalone
    Awesome. That was a great article. Do you happen to have one on whether one should or shouldn't worship the Holy Spirit?
    by pixiedustalone at 03/11/05 1:33PM
  • craigdusher
    what's your full name? i'll add you when i get it.
    by craigdusher at 03/14/05 9:03PM
  • suzyhomemaker
    his name is Shawn Brewer
    by suzyhomemaker at 03/14/05 9:16PM
  • craigdusher
    got any more dicusmen for me to list? my e-mail is craigdusher@yahoo.com if you want to send me more to put on that page.
    by craigdusher at 03/14/05 9:40PM
  • laughing_eyes
    thank you very much!
    by laughing_eyes at 03/15/05 12:55PM
  • suzyhomemaker
    how come your not on IM?
    by suzyhomemaker at 03/22/05 9:12AM
  • poppins_mom
    Hello. You probably know my husband. Neal Stanley. We live in Franklin but he use to attend Eastside years ago and Jason actually performed our wedding. My husband is a huge Hilltopper fan too. We live in Franklin. Small world!
    by poppins_mom at 03/23/05 1:31PM
  • just2seeusmile
    Please pray for my dad!!!!
    by just2seeusmile at 03/28/05 1:56PM
  • curlie
    What a timely article. I have heard too many people recently saying that Jesus should not be worshiped. I hadn't gotten a chance to read the most recent edition of THINK yet, so thanks for posting this!
    by curlie at 03/28/05 11:31PM
  • fullofgrace
    if David had a computer...he'd be wasting his time on here, too...he's already pestered me about making him an account...i told him if he didn't have regular internet access, it was kind of pointless...
    by fullofgrace at 03/30/05 11:41PM

Interesting passage...

I used this passage in a short talk during our worship last night:

Luke 7:36-48 - And one of the Pharisees asked Him to eat with him. And going into the Pharisee's house, He reclined. And behold, a woman, a sinner in the city, knowing that He reclined in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster vial of ointment. And she stood behind Him, weeping at His feet, and she began to wash His feet with tears and wipe them with the hair of her head. And she ardently kissed His feet and anointed them with the ointment. But seeing this, the Pharisee who had invited Him, spoke within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what kind of woman this is who touches him, for she is a sinner. And answering, Jesus said to him, Simon, I have something to say to you. And he said, Teacher, speak. There was a certain creditor who had two debtors. The one owed five hundred denarii, and the other fifty. And they having nothing to pay, he freely forgave both. Then which of them do you say will love him most? And answering, Simon said, I suppose that one to whom he forgave most. And He said to him, You have judged rightly. And He turned to the woman and said to Simon, Do you see this woman? I entered into your house, yet you gave Me no water for My feet. But she has washed My feet with tears, and has wiped them with the hair of her head. You gave Me no kiss, but this woman, since the time I came in, has not ceased to kiss My feet. You did not anoint My head with oil, but this woman has anointed My feet with ointment. Therefore I say to you, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much. But to whom little is forgiven, he loves little. And He said to her, Your sins are forgiven.
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Question: Did the Phariseee need forgiveness less (or even less forgiveness)? Or, did the woman simply recognize her need more than he did?
  • tu_madre
    what if certain sins carry more weight than others (sins worse than others) and her sins were more weighty than his. it could also be talking about who recognized their sins more and were more penitent.
    by tu_madre at 02/24/05 10:47AM
  • quinners24
    There are sins that at least bring about more earthly shame than others (1 Cor 5:1) but I doubt that would imply less or more forgiveness would be needed. Also, Matthew 12:45 talks about a man who's 2nd state is worse than the first. Perhaps some sins may be harder to recover from. That doesn't make the person need more forgiveness, but they will have more obstacles hindering repentance.
    by quinners24 at 02/25/05 12:33PM
  • kiss_the_rain
    I think she was tryin to humble herself. And I agree with his thoughts about recognition.
    by kiss_the_rain at 02/28/05 5:34PM
  • brewer
    I would defnintely lean toward the idea that she recognized her need more. Sin separates us from God. Any separation needs to be reconciled. I think the point of this story is that she recognized this need for reconciliation and he didn't.
    by brewer at 03/03/05 12:41PM