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"Obama keeping promises made to homosexual groups" - OneNewsNow 12-01-08 04:02pm EST
From the article...

President-elect Barack Obama is moving swiftly to appoint homosexual activists to positions within his administration.

Quoting Matt Barber:
"Obama, throughout the campaign, signaled...very quietly, but nonetheless signaled on his web page and elsewhere that he essentially had signed off on every major demand of homosexual pressure groups," he said. "So it's not surprising that he has now allowed some of these radical activists to become part of his administration."

See the article here

For my part, I didn't think Obama's support for the pro-homosexual agenda was all that quiet. I remember he came out against California's Proposition 8.
shanegSo he came out againt CA's Propostion 8 while his supporters voted it down. Makes sense. 
schmidtkinsUgh 
tweedledee=( 
shanegYeah, that is what I was trying to say. I should probably stop trying to comment at 5:30 in the morning. 
motherofallHi, Jeff! Nice to see this upbeat report about your Thanksgiving holiday! ;) Men. 
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More on Obama's birth certificate 11-22-08 10:16pm EST
Okay, Factcheck.org has a page with the most convincing evidence yet indicating that the document possessed by the Obama campaign does indeed reflect the information on the original document that is on file in Hawaii. That would indicate that Obama was indeed born in the United States. Alan Keyes has raised other issues pertaining to Obama's eligibility to be President, but I'm guessing the other issues will not carry much weight with the courts.

So for me, the biggest question that remains is this: When the matter was presented to a federal judge, why did Obama's lawyers choose to argue the plaintiff didn't have standing rather than simply provide proof that Obama was a natural born citizen? Was it just about timing? A quicker, more expeditious method of getting the matter set aside in time for the election? I don't see how it was quicker than simply producing a birth certificate in court that the campaign had in its office.
mattmanuaLawyers routinely raise issues that will get suits thrown out the fastest rather than trying to prove them on their merits. 
7laughinghardmansSo what about the four other obstacles? 
keruxBut it took weeks for the Judge to respond to the "lack of standing" claim. And that was faster than if Obama's lawyers had simply produced the Birth Certificate? 
keruxOn the other obstacles, they all have to do with other nations recognizing Obama as a citizen. I don't know anything about the law on such matters, but I've got a hunch that federal courts would not put as much stock in what other nations did or didn't do as they would put in actual U.S. birth. 
schmidtkinsIs it possible that the documents are fraudulent? It seems to me that if there is a question about it, it must be based on something that isn't adding up for someone. Other nations questioning this as well? On one hand, what difference SHOULD it make what other nations think about our President-elect's citizenship or lack thereof. On the other hand, the fact that some of them do NOT recognize him as such almost smacks of a disloyalty on his part that they might be aware of? Scary to think about. I drive myself crazy sometimes thinking about where we are heading, morally and otherwise. My hope and trust is in Jehovah... yet that causes me to fear too... because we do not deserve His notice as a nation - we deserve whatever lot befalls us. I just keep begging for His mercy! 
schmidtkinsThank you for explaining about the 20th Amendment. I had been wondering what would happen in such a scenario...the children asked about another scenario that was different but similar, and I hadn't known how to answer. Now, I know. Thank you! 
keruxThe "other nations" reference wasn't to other nations doubting Obama's eligibility to be president, but to the possibility that at one time or another during his childhood, some other nation may have recognized Obama as a citizen. That's the basis of part of Keye's suit, the idea being that to have citizenship in another country might have necessitated forfeiting citizenship in the U.S. However, I'm having trouble seeing it as likely that a court would rule that a natural born citizen would lose that status just because some other country granted him citizenship while he was a minor and did so at his parent's or parents' request, or based on their status. But again, I don't know what the law is in such cases. 
mattmanuaVery likely
mattmanuaMost civil trials start with a complaint. Followed by an answer. 
mattmanuaThen comes the discovery phase which can go on for a very long period of time. 
mattmanuaThus, if the lawyers can get a case dismissed before it ever gets that far, they are usually going to do it. 
mattmanuaI will, however, admit that it is possible that his lawyers were worried about what everyone would find out if this went into the discovery phase. That's just not the only reason they wouldn't let it get that far. 
angelaYes, I am aware that one does not need to be a natural born citizen to go to Harvard or be a member of congress.

I was just trying to point out that he would have had to present his birth certificate to get married, and perhaps when he was elected senator. Going with the idea that he has faked the certificate on his website, what did he then present in those cases? Where are the copies of those documents? 
slave_of_jesus_jdbThanks for the picture. Nicely done! 
hartwebbThanks! I knew it had to have been a simple oversight! After all, I did help you plan a certain endeavor that involved your future wife one fine Florida afternoon, if you haven't forgotten! Which resulted in my being chastised by a certain someone. Or don't you remember! So, I KNEW your excluding me from your friend's list was just an oversight!! 
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My friend, Joe, has a take on the election... 11-20-08 09:34pm EST
shanegI didn't know you and Joe Biden were friends. 
mr_and_mrs_berryI'm going to forward you an email I got - then you or one of your brothers or son can post it. 
mr_and_mrs_berryjust did 
the_momNo, we'll fly in the Saturday after Thanksgiving. 
hartwebbSo, Jeff Smelser, how come I don't see my name on your friends' list? Tell your wife, that I wrote Mrs_Doolittle a letter! Love ya! 
shanegYou may realize that I was just kidding about Joe. 
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a little help, please, from the mathematically minded 11-19-08 04:18pm EST
Does anyone have an example of some phenomenon in nature (it doesn't have to be phenomenal, just an ordinary phenomenon will do) that can be well modeled by an exponential function - now here's the kicker - wherein the domain includes x<0, and that portion of the domain is relevant.


If your example doesn't include x<0, don't bother cluttering up the comments on this one. But if you can't think of one, I'd be glad to here from you. It will give me some idea as to how hard it is to come up with an example.

First one to come up with a good example will receive via email a photo that can be used to blackmail me.

But the grandprize will go to the individual who can come up with an example of such a phenomenon wherein the domain represents time.
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goatherdessmaybe...negative time necessarily implies that the time does not affect the dependent variable in nature...at least the way we use these variables? I think that's what I meant to say. 
slave_of_jesus_jdbHow about uranium isotopes going to lead in a chunk of fresh uranium? Thats exponential, right? And the greater the negative value of t, the greater the amount of uranium. 
slave_of_jesus_jdbU=t2 with an unknown coefficient and constant. 
snickers63We read... we already have a photo that can be used to blackmail. I'll be interested in other ideas that will be posted. 
timstarrNatural phenomenon: any rope, cable, line, what-have-you, suspended from two ends will sag in the middle because of gravity. Assuming uniformity of the rope, the shape of the curve it makes can be modeled by the formula 1/2(e^x + e^-x), which is an exponential function and, interestingly, is the definition of the hyperbolic cosine, cosh.

Relevance of x<0: x=0 is always the center and lowest point of this curve, so the negative values of x represent the left side of the rope/curve. 
timstarrOf course, you could just shift the graph... for example, if the fixed points of the rope are 10 feet across you could substitute the quantity (x-5) for x, and then the domain would be all non-negative. So I don't know if that works for what you're looking for. 
schmidtkinsNot math - minded... the question is over my head, never mind me trying to answer! 
chooselovei enjoy reading the answers even if i dont have one 
the_momJeff, you know I love you, but that has got to be the nerdiest post ever posted on here. Are you wearing your pocket protector today? :) 
the_momPssssssssssssst. Those of us that are mathematically challenged try to make ourselves feel better by labeling those that aren't as nerds. 
laurar209I have NO clue 
laurar209so I'm trying 
laurar209my 
laurar209best to do the 
laurar209best I can 
laurar209to fully clutter up this 
laurar209post so you feel 
laurar209important. 
snickers63lol 
shel6yHi Jeff!! Things are going well! I saw you said HI to me on Jason's blog!

How are you and your wife? I hope you all have a great Thanksgiving. 
slave_of_jesus_jdbSo, do I get the grand prize, or no? 
daddio6check your email 
slave_of_jesus_jdbNada
madtomkiddI forget whose page I came here from, but I can comment on this topic. Two of the most common examples of e in action are growth - population & financial. Population - as in bacteria/virii. Financial as in compounding interest.

Practically, in terms of a model, unless one started observing a system "late" then this typically is only practical for x>0. One can apply some translations, but then we are talking about mathematics (usually), not real world models. 
nottoscaleLet me guess: trying to establish that there had to be a finite "beginning"? What is, has not always been? 
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I could use a little global warming... 11-19-08 10:11am EST
schmidtkinsYes, me too! I NEVER have to turn my heat on in November!!! I did this time! 
laurar209but you're "near normal." 
snickers63He will never be 'near normal'... We could use some global warming here too today. 
tweedledee=) Yes it is pretty cold on campus today ... below freezing! 
laurar209Hey -- "near normal" is neither a compliment or an insult... merely fact according to the National Climate Data Center! 
laurar209Well, this guy was defined as elderly due to his graying hair and how he looked (like he could have a few grandchildren running around)... oh wait... ;) Seriously, "elderly" seemed very appropriate *especially* after the whole conversation. I realized after I wrote the elderly/50 thing, I was probably insulting a lot of people, including my mom. Oops! 
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