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sarah_seaton	WHOOOOOO-HOOOOOOO! You just made my day!!!
plato	Remember all the reasons you said the bailout was a good idea? Well, I guess those arguments didn't convince the man that created them...
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plato	So, I was thinking about my tone in my first post to you and decided it was too "I told you so"-ish. When then pondering my reasons for having such an attitude, I realized that it is in anxious hope that you will realize that you have been lied to, and then react with righteous indignation towards the liars. So, 1.)sorry for my tone. What would be more appropriate is a pleading approach- pleading that you would re-examine these "politicians." and 2.) GET MAD AT THESE GUYS! Even if you still agree with your first stance that the bailout in its passage form was a good idea, see that they disagree with you now and are going to blow your money on something else without anyone's permission! More perfectly, I would encourage you to consider the Austrian Economics approach that predicted the situation we are in and is telling us how to fix it! (See the video I posted on the blog before this one.)
plato	This is one such Austrian-
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im gonna take a stab at it

11-03-08 11:58am PST

barak obama wins tomorrow

however

its not because of policies or anything...merely because hes a good public speaker and john mccain is an awful public speaker.

in all honesty, had mike huckabee gotten the republican nomination, we wouldnt have to be worrying about obama as huckabee would speak circles around obama.


cruisingmom	I concur. Then the FairTax would have had a chance too.
plato	hahaha! REALLY?! When was this? Why were they after you? I'm assuming it was a cop.
darrenbob	hey thanks for your feedback to my question, do you have any good instructions for that over clocking, haven't done it before But I know AMD CPUs are good for over clocking
darrenbob	its an ASUS K8V Socket 754
onelittlecandle	I agree. I liked Huckabee a lot.
onelittlecandle	by the way, congratulations...when is the happy day? tell Deanna that Sherri Schaufel sends her greetings. :)
plato	While I would not have supported Huckabee either, I can absolutely agree that he would've been better than McCain. Pretty much anyone would've been better than McCain.
darrenbob	do you have a link for that CPU cooler you mentioned? I think the one i have is decent, don't know if its good enough for that high over clocking
plato	Ron Paul still is.
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Bank Rescue

10-03-08 04:20pm PST

Its been done before and worked great and now its been done again and will save the economy from a severe recession.

The housing market was the root of it all with people buying more than they could afford. Typical Americans. Now, with their greediness slighted, they get to pay for it!

Americans think that they can create problems and someone else should pay for it. Look at even all the frivolous law suites in this day and age. Well, finally, Americans created a problem and they get to pay for it.

Read here for a great article on how this will help restructure our economy and get it back on the right track.


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bibleguy321	Lastly, the U.S. government spent $350 billion in the late 80's rescuing banks. Guess what...it worked.
plato	"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people" (10th ammendment). It actually sounds a lot like "everything has to be in the constitution" for the federal gov't to get involved in it.
plato	Why won't you just admit it is un-Constitutional, that way you can at least argue that "times have changed," or "it is a living document, constantly open to reinterpretation," or some other mumbo-jumbo?
pianobub	Don't you just love adults who act like kids?
bibleguy321	I'm ok with people having their beliefs...even if I think they are picking the choice that is in least benefit for others.
bibleguy321	in response....sure, I know that statement exists...however, let me explain this: Citizens vote in State Representatives and Senators...these "represent the states and the people". Most consider the houses of Congress to be "Federal"...but really, its a meeting of the states. Thus "United States". The executive and judicial branches operate outside of the states, but the legislative operates WITHIN the states. Thus, if the Senate and House pass legislation involving the federal government, then the citizens and states have given power to the federal government. Contrary to your thought that when the legislative branch, acting as the Federal Government, votes that it is forcefully taking the right from the states. Wrong. The states, and citizens thereof respectively, are giving the power to the United States. Please read the definition of the word "reserved". If a table is reserved, they get first pick, if the person with the reservation gives it up, then no "reservation" was broken. "are [u]reserved[/u] to the States respectively, or to the people"
bibleguy321	and the constitution is a living document...why do you think the supreme court was created? to "interpret" the constitution. Being as supreme court members die and are replaced, the founding fathers knew that the constitution would be found to have different meanings to different generations. Thus it can live and adapt to the U.S. and its people as time passes.
plato	hmm, I thought that's what an ammendment was for... The Constitution was written to grant certain powers to federal government (the Bill of Rights were considered redundant, as the the gov't was granted no rights to mess with those things anyhow, but some wanted the Bill of Rights just for good measure.) Honestly, you have never read any of the founders writings about the Constitution and the federal gov't or you simply would not pretend that the things you are saying are in keeping with the ideas of our Republic. And that is why we cannot agree on this issue (or many). You have decided that the Constitution is irrelevant, we live in an Empire (not a Republic), the gov't can do whatever they want, and anyone who says "Where did they get the authority?" is ignorant. I'll stick with the law of the land. Our founding fathers knew this type of attitude would eventually come in among the people so they said things like, "he who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither and will lose both," "if ever a time comes in which the high offices of our country are held by vain an aspiring men, we will stand in need once again of our ardent patriots," "from time to time, the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots," etc. If you like the bailout then fine, but don't pretend it is legal. Have fun paying for all of these bad loans.
plato	Another symptom of a depraved society- when people think debate is childlike, and silent submission is more mature. I hold no animosity to you about this, and I think you know that. If you came through town today my home would be open to you. If we can't argue and keep from hating one another (especially brethren), then how could we call ourselves Christians?
bibleguy321	oh i know that justin...thats why i dont mind debating with you. And quotes are great....but you have to keep them in context, which means 200 years ago. I love history and you know that. I have more books on Abraham Lincoln than some churches have bibles. Even more on WW2, the Civil War, Ben Franklin, etc. To say that the founding fathers, John Hancock, George Washington, Ben Franklin, Mr. Hamilton and others, if they were here today would sit back and say "eh, let the world economy crash, let our people not have the ability to pursue life, liberty or happiness" is preposterous. NOR, would our founding fathers shrug their shoulders and say "eh, I didnt have a direct hand in the problem, so I shouldnt deal with it, let the rest of society deal with it"...bologna. They fought hand in hand, even sometimes divided amongst themselves, to a goals. What if we had this same thought as Christians, "Well, I wasnt Adam, I didnt sin, so I shouldnt have to suffer consequences." The rain falls on the just and the unjust. You and I live in this great economy, and if I have to pay a few more taxes to live in it with its peoples, then so be it. THIS is the attitude the founding fathers would have. Not the anarchish attitude that the "conservative"s would have you think today. Those thoughts are what cause countries to be divided and new countries to be formed. Please read some articles on Luther, Wesley, May Flower, John Smith, American Revolution, etc. If those super conservative ideas are so great. Then go build a new country.
pianobub	Well y'know what happens when you assume...
plato	Reading back over the beginning of that statement I could see how that would sound harsher than it was intended. But if my "assumption" that you were implying that those of us debating with Jason are childlike was incorrect (and in the context I don't have a clue how it would be, unless you were saying that Jason was acting like a child- which I would also disagree with), then I stand corrected.
plato	I reject the premise that doing nothing would bring a crash. In fact, I believe doing nothing would let the market correct itself and things would get back to normal rather quickly. In fact, I would argue that the bailout is not only typical of the ideology that caused this mess to begin with (you know, spending money we don't have, standing in the way of the markets, etc.) but will actually drastically increase the odds of a collapse. As one economist put it a few days ago- "This bill is by its nature hyperinflationary."
plato	The principles of freedom never change. What is freedom except allowing people to choose for themselves which roads to take in life (and ultimately, bearing the responsibilities for their own actions)? That's why economic freedom and civil freedom goes hand in hand. I must be able to choose how to spend my money that I have earned according to the choices I have made. If I make bad investments, I lose. If I make good ones, I win. When the government takes my money by force (or inflates the currency, thus devaluing my money) I do not have those options, thus no longer free.
bibleguy321	This started back in 2005, its almost 2009....doing nothing fixed nothing. So now it is time to try something different: do something.
tom_bombadil	It wasn't doing nothing that cause this mess - it was the lowering of interest rates by the federal reserve that created the credit bubble. the solution is not a bailout so it can all happen again. the solution is the deregulation of the banking industry and the dissolution of the Federal Reserve.
sarah_seaton	That would be sweet! What are ya'll doin' on the 18th? we're going to a Rennaissance festival in Cincinnati with my parents. If ya'll don't want to go to the festival we can always meet for dinner or something.......
mickeydee_003	Can I have your email, by chance
sarah_seaton	hey, on saturday... do I get to meet the future mrs?? And, is it possible to make it around 6 or 6:30? The renaissance festiv. is over around 6 and mom and dad don't want to stay out too late. .... if ya'll want to, my sis-in-law and I are also talking about going to a haunted house that night (it'll be later, around 9 or 10) If it's too late... I'd understand, but you're more than welcome to join us! We'd love to spend time with ya!
sarah_seaton	sheds tears .... I'm duly depressed, now. I understand though. just make your other plans. Forget about your yankee sister -- I completely understand. ;) At LEAST I'll get to see you in January! :-p
plato	lol, I thought you'd like that.
sarah_seaton	haha, meanie! :-p ok... for some reason I thought you had said Missouri lately. i've been placing a lot of people in Missouri tho... I dunno why. What's the name of the place, again?
sarah_seaton	awwww, Jason! You're on my speakers! I didn't know you had a sermon on your facebook account... so I'm listening to you as I browse. :-p
plato	Well, I couldn't use it as it would clash with my "The lesser of two evils is still evil" sticker.
plato	Private health insurance, etc., has no relation to fascism. It's private vs. government. Medicare, Medicaid, etc., can certainly be tied to fascism though. Freedom and fascism can never coexist.
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welp	09-03-08 07:22pm PST

moving to louisville on monday...been working my butt off this week with regular work, remodel finishing, packing and cleaning.

my woman has been the best though, shes plugged right along with me the entire time.


Gods_Country_Girl	That is so wonderful that she is just always there for you! I am sure she feels like she would do anything to make you & God happy at the same time... :-)
cruisingmom	Lousavul is a great town. I know you think so too since your woman is there. Have fun packing. WooHoo.
moe	awesome
sarah_seaton	that's awesome! I'm glad things fit into place so easily for you!!! :) So... Is Jan 2nd the offical date? ... for me to get my calenar prepared? :)
tom_bombadil	No. I do not mean legalism as "being the best Christian we can." I mean it as finding law in the New Testament, abiding by it, and teaching it.
sarah_seaton	haha, I guess that would make it better to think you did it. Tim tried his hardest to say that I wasn't the one who ran over them... but, I'm not that stupid. ;) He didn't go anywhere that day, and the kittens randomly get smooshed on our driveway? riiight. :)
plato	And why did the market go up? Because we socialized bad debt. Now it belongs to the American people. How long do you think this can go on? The market will eventually win and will correct itself. We call those times "depressions."
plato	WOW, are you REALLY making the argument that socialism is better for society? Always remember that economic freedom and societal freedom go hand in hand. And so what if China or anyone else buys a business the consumers still have control because we can always STOP doing business with them. If government owns it, we are ALWAYS involved in the losses, and never read benefits from gains. This is a major philosophical difference. One side trusts government and not the people, one trusts the people and not the government. History has proven repeatedly that government is not to be trusted. Ever. Limit them. Obey the law. Or we all lose.
plato	Also, if we were really worried about China owning the U.S. maybe we would stop borrowing so much from them to continue to expand gov't interests both foreign and domestic under a cough Republican president.
plato	Then you should stop buying anything made in China or doing business with any Chinese businesses. To me, though, it seems that the U.S. will/has been the one that has destroyed the U.S.
sarah_seaton	lol, you're so mean! Tim read the comment and goes "aw! that's mean!" haha, I laughed. I finally got rid of the kittens last night. No more meows. Thankfully!!!
plato	Ha, well at least I know where NOT to go if that ever happened! That's a weird one.
plato	Wrong, I will complain about ANY bailout EVER. Not only is it ILLEGAL (there is no Constitutional authority for it), it is immoral (stealing from one group to give to another, and it is also STUPID because the market WILL correct itself. You don't understand at all what they are doing. They are buying up BAD DEBTS (that's what ILLIQUID means) with tax payer money, to bail out the banks that made the bad investments! If you or I blew our money on bad investments and lost it who would bail us out? It is FASCISM, it is not financial freedom! If we do this we will crash the dollar, plain and simple. If we let the market adjust, some will suffer, but it will be for a shorter period of time (consider the severe depression of 1921, it lasted one year and things returned to normal.) They got involved in the same way at the beginning of the great depression. They got into price fixing and buying up bad debts and we got 10 years of depression for it. That is what is coming. You really should go read both sides of this argument and weigh them out. I suggest LewRockwell.com and Mises.org.
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plato	http://www.lewrockwell.com/manion/manion88.html Check that out. I think you'll appreciate it, and it is relevant to our conversation.
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new motto

09-02-08 11:19am PST

saw it on a church sign today...

Just do your best

and Jesus will do the rest


cruisingmom	You're back! Just have to do it...do 'churches' have signs???
bibleguy321	lol...the "church" of today does :-D
cruisingmom	you are still rotten...I love it!
Gods_Country_Girl	that's pretty good! :-)
mj	Ain't that the truth.
sarah_seaton	:) yay! A post!
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