03/14/10 9:34PM

The Pharisees and the Sabbath
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1 Peter 3:18-22: Christ's Suffering
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Gods of This World: Tolerance

Whenever people come together who look differently from one another or who have different beliefs or worldviews, there generally is one of two results: there is either some level of tolerance or there is conflict. History books are full of examples of such conflict, and unfortunately, many such conflicts continue on to this day in many parts of our world.

While tolerance has been a virtue that seemed to be lost on the world for many generations it is present today, especially in America, in force. As the country becomes more and more diverse, with a greater number of differences in ethnicity, religion, language, and culture, emphasis on tolerance has grown stronger and stronger.

Tolerance does not have to be a bad thing. The Bible, in fact, insists on believers in God being tolerant of other people. Racial, ethnic, and class differences should not mean anything to the believer (Galatians 3:28, Colossians 3:11). When believers are confronted with people who disagree with them, even those who act violently against them, they are not to act violently in return, but instead should bless them (1 Peter 3:9). Just as God has not coerced or forced anyone to accept His truth, so believers are not to coerce or force anyone to accept Christianity.

Unfortunately there have been many people who have professed belief in Jesus Christ who acted in ways contrary to these principles. Such people did not act in accordance with God's will and should expect no reward for those sinful actions.

Christianity, therefore, was designed to be a religion that was tolerant of those who rejected it or denied its teachings, trusting that God would render proper judgment in the end (Romans 2:5-11, 12:19-20). If the tolerance espoused by modern American society only insisted that everyone respect the right of others to disagree with them, then we would have no dispute or quarrel. Unfortunately, that is not the case.

"Tolerance" has been made into its own religion in modern America, a god that many serve. Tolerance today goes beyond merely respecting the rights of others to believe as they wish. If we are going to be accepted as "tolerant," we must also accept the viewpoints of others as equally legitimate as our own. The "tolerant" perspective does not chastise or condemn the views of other acceptably "tolerant" persons.

What does this mean? It requires that people not only respect the rights of others to believe differently but to not have any condemnatory view of them. If one believes that homosexuality, for instance, is sinful and condemned by God, such a person cannot be "tolerant," even if he or she bears no ill will toward homosexuals and would never harm a homosexual. The same is true for any who believe that those who practice other religions are committing sin and will be condemned by God, or those who would condemn lasciviousness, other forms of sexual immorality, drug use, etc.

And therein is the great irony of the religion of "tolerance": it is tolerant of only that which it deems to be tolerant, and has little to no patience or toleration for what is deemed "intolerance." Those who are "tolerant" express venom and distaste for those who are "intolerant," and are thus self-condemned!

Ultimately, the modern religion of "tolerance" is guilty of that which it condemns in others. It is no more "tolerant" than that which it deems "intolerant." In the end, while we can respect the rights of others to disagree, some kind of value judgment must be made. Let us not be seduced by the idol of tolerance but instead stand for what God has established. Let us stand firm against sin and declare it to be sin so that we can demonstrate to the world the light and truth of Jesus Christ (cf. John 1:1-14)!

Ethan R. Longhenry
  • hoose
    Amen! Tolerance does not mean that we must agree; it means that we must still be kind and respectful to one another when we disagree. I love this post!
    by hoose at 03/14/10 9:55PM
  • slave_of_jesus_jdb
    Well articulated.
    by slave_of_jesus_jdb at 03/15/10 8:39AM
  • dominic
    Not only has tolerance become a god and been practiced hypocritically, but the word itself has lost its traditional meaning. I don't know what it means to tolerate something that I think is equally legitimate or good. How is that even tolerance? Doesn't saying that I tolerate something imply that I disagree with it or somehow find it objectionable?
    by dominic at 03/15/10 10:11AM
  • the_gun
    Thought you might be interested in seeing this:

    http://www.wordsoftruth.net/wotvol9/wotbulletin08022009.html
    by the_gun at 03/16/10 12:19PM
  • deusvitae
    I've had a conversation with him about that issue. He was utterly dogmatic and had no good argument in regards to Romans 3:23 and 1 John 1:8.
    by deusvitae at 03/16/10 1:01PM
  • grizzlytwelve
    Sheesh. Maybe we should ask him about our fellowship question Ethan. I can only imagine how a point of view that posits a state of "realized perfection" in the church would impact things.

    I'm gonna try to contribute a little something to our discussion tomorrow...was pretty busy today.
    by grizzlytwelve at 03/17/10 12:19AM
  • dominic
    I don't usually comment on these sort of things, but reading that article that the_gun linked: does he not realize his central argument is a jump in logic from "be sinless" to "true churches of Christ are sinless." Imagine the analogy of marriage: my wife is supposed to submit to me perfectly, so if my wife doesn't submit to me perfectly she isn't my true wife? No one is saying we should be sinning and should not be sinless. We're saying that we should be sinless but we aren't and praise be to God that in His grace He counts our faith as righteousness by the death of His son!
    by dominic at 03/17/10 9:13AM

For you have delivered my soul from death, yes, my feet from falling, that I may walk before God in the light of life.

Greetings, everyone.

Peace, mercy, and grace be with you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.



This entire experience is beyond surreal.

Ella is doing quite well. She is eating well and responding well to the family. She enjoys being held and does not enjoy not being held at all-- a good sign, all things considered. The kids love Ella and enjoy having a little sister.

Everyone comments on how small she is. Considering the other types of comments that could be made, it's not a bad thing. :)

We ended up having to stay in Florida until yesterday when we finally got the all clear regarding the ICPC process, and that only because our case worker devoted some time on her day off to complete the process.

Thanks to the graciousness of some friends we were able to get into Walt Disney World and the Magic Kingdom one day earlier in the week. It was a perfect day-- 70s and sunny-- and everyone had a great time. Julianna participated in Belle's story as Mrs. Potts, Maia got to see her favorite princesses, and Nate got to "race" in a car. We also shot some lasers and met Buzz Lightyear. We also went on "It's a Small World." Not normally a major thing, but apparently my parents took me to Walt Disney World back in 1982 or 1983 (when I was about 18 months old), went on that ride, and it got stuck for an hour. This time it did not get stuck, but I could understand the irritating factor. :)

I would like to again thank everyone for their prayers, concern, and well-wishes. Thanks especially to the brethren in Tampa that made us feel at home.

We are now visiting Sarah's aunt just north of Atlanta, Georgia, and intend to keep heading northeast Sunday afternoon and evening. We should be back in Norwalk in the cold and snow on Monday.



Book reading update.

I read DeWard's reprint of J.W. McGarvey's Jesus and Jonah. We have seen for over two centuries the movement by many away from an acceptance of the Biblical story as fact by many who would still claim to be Christians. Various justifications are attempted in order to explain away the challenges presented by believing some parts of the narrative as written while rejecting others.

McGarvey takes the opportunity in this book to call out such persons to make a decision: wholly accept the narrative as is or wholly reject the narrative as is. He uses the story of Jonah as presented in the book of Jonah along with Jesus' use of the "sign of Jonah" as an indication of the resurrection in Matthew 12, etc.

McGarvey first explores the various arguments made by noted scholars of his day and exposes their inconsistencies and fallacies. He then goes through the narrative of Jonah and demonstrates quite well that it is harder to believe that an Israelite would make up the story than to believe that the events described happened. He concludes with a discussion of the Jewish reckoning of time and how there is no inconsistency between the account of Jesus' death and resurrection and the "sign of Jonah."

McGarvey explains the text well but argues a bit too much on the basis of unsubstantiated inferences. Nevertheless, he makes his argument quite well, and it is an argument that has become no less relevant to the twenty-first century. It is important for us to consider how the New Testament presents itself as conveying historical, actual, substantive events, and the authors thereof believe firmly in the events described in the Old Testament, considering how many wish to divide the "historical Jesus" from the "Christ of faith" and to deny or reject any supernatural event. McGarvey's plea ought to ring out today: accept the Gospel narratives for what they claim to be or entirely reject Jesus as a liar or lunatic-- but you cannot attempt to accept Jesus in faith while rejecting what He said or did.

A great little book for reading and consideration.

I also read Jason Hardin's Hard Core. We live in the midst of a hyper-sexualized society. We are constantly bombarded by messages flaunting sexuality, encouraging lascivious thoughts, and promoting sexuality and sexual fulfillment as the ultimate goal in life. Life is made very difficult for those who would resist and attempt to reflect God's values in this society.

Hardin's Hard Core is a wonderful work of reminder and encouragement to stand up for what is right and true and holy in regards to sexuality. Hardin does well at challenging societal attitudes toward sexuality and the rampant use of pornography, adultery, and general sensuality while strongly affirming the propriety of sexuality and its value in its proper context. Copious Biblical references are cited to warn the reader regarding the dangers of sexual misconduct, to provide examples of sexual immorality committed and refused and their respective consequences, and to encourage believers to focus on making God the ultimate priority of life and not sexuality.

This is a great resource for anyone who is struggling with the idol of sexuality and sensuality in whatever form.



May the peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirits.

ELDV
  • dawnmk23
    So glad everything is "all clear" and that you are on your way home! Disney must have been a great break from the snow! You guys look so happy in your photo! :0)
    by dawnmk23 at 02/27/10 11:24AM
  • be_with_me_lord
    And, you found time to read ;) So happy you will be home soon.
    by be_with_me_lord at 02/27/10 1:01PM
  • littlelamb
    So glad everything is going well and you guys are finally on the way home! This must have been a magical trip for the girls- a new baby sister and Disney! I've been stuck on It's A Small World before. It's not so bad if you're with friends and have a steady stream of jokes going about it. :)
    by littlelamb at 02/27/10 2:11PM
  • kendrad
    Boo for cold and snow! That might be a rude awakening for poor little Ella...
    by kendrad at 02/27/10 3:06PM
  • sylvanhistorian
    LOVE the new family picture! :)
    by sylvanhistorian at 02/27/10 10:30PM
  • chessman
    Congratulations!

    I've always had a little trouble with the commonly accepted timeline and Jesus's statement, because He specifies three nights, and no amount of finagling can make that make sense.
    by chessman at 03/01/10 8:51AM
  • fullofgrace
    i'm so excited for you guys!
    by fullofgrace at 03/03/10 7:47PM
  • aaron_nic
    I was taught that the supper was on a Wednesday, crucifiction on Thursday, three nights in the tomb, raised on Sunday.
    by aaron_nic at 03/03/10 8:44PM
  • tryphena
    Thank you for your comment on my blog. Not the popular opinion, but I believe it's accurate.
    by tryphena at 03/12/10 1:24PM

I will thank you forever, because you have done it. I will wait for your name, for it is good, in the presence of the godly.

Brethren,

Greetings.

Peace, mercy, and grace be with you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.



I am thankful and humbled by the outpouring of love, concern, prayer, and encouragement for us as we have undergone this experience. I apologize for not updating more often; as things got more interesting the Internet connection was lost and I've been relying on the BlackBerry for most of my communication recently. It's somewhat miraculous that Spiritual Manna has continued to be written and sent out.

Projections for the future are entirely speculative. The necessary ICPC paperwork arrived in Tallahassee today. Whenever Florida approves us to depart the paperwork can be sent to Ohio for approval to enter. Thankfully, Ohio recently streamlined the process by farming out ICPC matters to the county job and family service offices. We have been working with our county office throughout the process, and our caseworker will hopefully expedite the process for us. In all likelihood we will have to remain in Florida for another week at least. Gotta love bureaucracy.

If you would like more consistent updates, find me on Facebook. There are also many pictures there.

Oh, and no, she's not Haitian.



Those of you who know me have probably perceived that I am not exactly the emotional, subjective, "touchy-feely" type. I tend to be excessively linear-logical, concrete sequential, and rational. My faith, on the whole, is based in that structure, and it has been evident for some time that God is working to break me of the comfortable paradigm.

I say all of that because this process has greatly humbled me and awed me. I have a perpetual fear of ascribing anything to the Almighty or to His Providence lest I be self-deceived and mistook happenstance or what I wanted to see for what God was doing. It's easier for me to analyze than experience, and yet I am experiencing the awesome power of God as it is playing out in our lives. I say that because I cannot ascribe to any other source the way that all of this has taken place.

God's hand was present before any of us knew anything. Ella was born on 18 November 2009 prematurely-- 26 weeks, as far as can be ascertained. Her twin brother died at birth. The birth mother gave birth in the emergency room, and the paramedic who actually delivered the children believed that they both were not viable. It just so happened that about ten minutes after Ella's birth a neonatologist happened to be walking through the ER, saw Ella, and recognized that she was, in fact, viable, and rushed her up to the NICU.

She was only one pound, ten ounces. No one thought that she would make it. And yet she was (and is) a fighter, and she persevered. She is now six pounds ten ounces and, considering all that she has been through, she is doing extremely well.

Sometime between November and February the birth mother decided to put her up for adoption through the same lawyer she had used before. In early February Sarah joined a certain e-mail list for discussions of adoption and adoption circumstances. Not many days later we found out about Ella's situation through that e-mail list. Another family was interested but declined on the basis of medical insurance concerns.

On our end, three hurdles remained-- health coverage potential, credit, and 2009 taxes. All of those got figured out in some way or another. We were the only family interested in Ella. Since she was ready to be discharged from the hospital, we were encouraged to come post haste. After the "snowpocalypse" that was not very apocalyptic, we headed south, driving all day and night on Thursday and Friday, February 11 and 12.

I drove the night shift from Charleston, West Virginia, to just inside Florida on I-95-- about 11 hours or so, including stops. It was crazy driving through the night, especially since there were plenty of deer on both sides of the road in much of South Carolina and Georgia. Yet, the next day, those very areas were hit with a snowstorm, and the delays would have been significant.

Nevertheless, I over-extended myself by driving that long. For the rest of the drive to the Miami area my stomach was churning. When we arrived at the hospital, I went up first. My stomach problem went away as soon as I reached the hospital door.

I knew who Ella was before I was formally introduced to her, and I knew from the start that it was already over. Barring some unforeseen circumstance, that doll would be my daughter!

The big complication was the apnea monitor-- there was no way Ella was going to be released without said monitor. Normally that gets covered by an insurance company, or, barring that, the state, but only for those staying within the state. We could use neither. Yet, thanks to some research done by friends, we were able to find a place that would rent a monitor to us, overnight it to Florida, and we could return it from Ohio.

Our plan had been to go to Miami, get the child rather quickly, and head to Tampa to wait out the ICPC process. We did not intend on the Miami part of the trip lasting six days. In many ways it turned out to be a blessing in disguise. It gave us a chance to explore the Miami area, a place I would otherwise probably never visit, take in the sights, go to the beaches, do some birding, do a little shopping, and send off the days of being a family of five with a bit of style and with time together. It was hectic, and Miami on the whole was an extremely poorly designed city complex with rather uncivil, extremely self-subsumed people. And Miami Beach was full of Jews, and quite the sight on Shabbat. Miami gave me an appreciation for the Midwest, at least in terms of peoples' attitudes toward one another. The weather, however, was quite a bit nicer in Miami than it was in Ohio.

"Gotcha day" was Wednesday, February 17. Even that took longer than intended or expected. But we were able to get out of Miami. We have been staying in a furnished but unoccupied house thanks to the graciousness of some of the brethren in the area, and that circumstance was also one that happened in unexpected but providential ways.

And so now we are here with Ella, getting to know her as she gets to know us, and trying to make the best of the waiting process, visiting friends that we do not get to see often if at all and making the best of the opportunity and "vacation" that we are having.

This has been a major leap of faith for us. We traveled 1200 miles to adopt a child when we had not seen the child or the lawyer. Ella, no doubt, is a miracle baby. Only time will tell if she will experience any physical deficiencies or developmental delays because of being so premature. It certainly involves a lot of risk and we were not unaware of that as we headed south.

And yet I am persuaded, as I have been persuaded throughout the process, that it is the right thing to do. A child was sitting in a NICU in Miami for three months without really having a family. We had the means and the opportunity to do something about that. We did what unprofitable servants do-- their duty (Luke 17:7-10, James 1:27, 4:17). I have no doubt that the Lord has made this work because He wants it to work, and we rest upon Him throughout the rest of this process. If Ella has no deficiencies or delays, then God be praised. If Ella does develop challenges, then let God be glorified through and despite those challenges.

I feel that I have experienced how God is willing to reward greater trust and faith in Him and His command. It is scary in many ways-- trust always involves a lot of risk. But God indeed is a rewarder of those who diligently seek after Him (Hebrews 11:6). Let us never forget that!



Book reading update.

I finished Ed Stetzer's Lost and Found: The Younger Unchurched and the the Churches That Reach Them. It was a great book discussing how the under 30 generation is truly seeking spiritual truth, with a greater interest and willingness than even those just above them in age. The difficulties tend to be in the fact that we are not really reaching them with the message and, stereotypically, are not practicing what is preached. Those of the younger generation, on the whole, are interested in hearing from someone whom they see as authentic, trying to live by the standard but willing to admit deficiencies and failings. They like serving and want to make a difference in the world; that impulse can be properly directed. They have a desire to make intergenerational connections and learn from their elders. The book also goes through examples of how some churches are able to accomplish these things.

It is definitely worth consideration to dig into the question of how to more effectively promote the Gospel among young people of the world.

I also finished an early review book from a Jewish publisher. The book was The Poetry of Prayer: Tehillim in Tefillah by Rabbi Avi Baumol. The book explores the connections between various psalms (tehillim) in Jewish liturgical prayers (tefillah). The author makes many interesting arguments based on literary connections and functions and well expresses the rabbinical history of interpretation of the psalms involved. Beyond that, however, the book is by a Jew for Jews to better understand a particular element of Judaism.



May the peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirits.

ELDV
  • godswarrior32803
    I am always overwhelmed at the greatness of God and how is providential care can and is seen even today. I pray that God will help to expedite things for you so that you can return home with your new daughter. I am so happy for you too here, if it doesn't bother you I wanted to tell the brethren here to be praying for you and Ella as well.
    by godswarrior32803 at 02/22/10 6:10PM
  • flyonthewall
    This is a wonderful story, Ethan. I pray that all will go well and little Ella will soon be traveling home to Ohio with you all. I've seen pictures, and she truly is a "doll."
    by flyonthewall at 02/22/10 6:13PM
  • be_with_me_lord
    Beautiful story, Ethan. I have been anticipating one of you sharing it with us, knowing it would be amazing and we would see the hand of God working in all of your lives. Ella is such a beautiful little girl, she is blessed to have you for a daddy.
    by be_with_me_lord at 02/22/10 6:49PM
  • dorothy129
    Ethan, I have been convinced for a long time, that all things happen for a reason in the lives of Christians. I don't believe in happenstance, at least not in the lives of God's people. You and your family are so very blessed. Ella is especially blessed to have you and Sarah for parents. She is a very special little girl. I am sure no matter what the future brings, all things will work together for good. May God bless you and your family now and in the future, as you strive to do His will.
    by dorothy129 at 02/22/10 10:25PM
  • deputyheadmistress
    And yet I am persuaded, as I have been persuaded throughout the process, that it is the right thing to do. A child was sitting in a NICU in Miami for three months without really having a family. We had the means and the opportunity to do something about that. We did what unprofitable servants do-- their duty (Luke 17:7-10, James 1:27, 4:17).
    Exactly. When we adopted our two, a decision questioned by many, several people asked us why. My husband told them that the question he focused on was 'Why should we not?' and there was no good reason for why not.
    by deputyheadmistress at 02/22/10 11:31PM
  • lovinstlouis02
    Awesome, awesome story, my brother. God bless you for helping this baby and God bless those in Florida helping you out. I'm sure they are honored to do so :)
    by lovinstlouis02 at 02/23/10 6:56AM
  • bonnyswan
    wow. i had no idea that y'all were still down there! what wonderful and uplifting words on the whole situation.
    by bonnyswan at 02/23/10 8:35AM
  • cdawg
    wonderful story man! God's plans are epic sometimes, eh?
    by cdawg at 02/23/10 11:21AM
  • cdawg
    also, praying for your famil and the new addition!!!!
    by cdawg at 02/23/10 11:21AM
  • chessman
    There is nothing like a child to show God's love, and nothing like an adoption story to show the confluence of that love and His power of providence. Awesome, in so many ways.
    by chessman at 02/23/10 4:00PM
  • debnray
    I love your story. Every adoption story is great, but WOW what a journey for all of you. God Bless and travel safe!
    by debnray at 02/23/10 8:40PM
  • rockymtnslover
    Thank you for sharing. Blessings on your family!
    by rockymtnslover at 02/23/10 9:35PM
  • aaron_nic
    Congratulations on your new addition! And thank you for your good example. I think we can know God's work by the fruit it produces.
    by aaron_nic at 02/23/10 10:12PM
  • jlmanager
    Congratulations! Thanks also for the book reviews; added Stetzer to my CBD wishlist.
    by jlmanager at 02/23/10 11:19PM
  • friedaj
    She is a very blessed little girl to have you guys in her life.
    by friedaj at 02/24/10 9:30PM
  • onelittlecandle
    What a journey you all are on!! I didn't realize you were still in Miami, or know any details. You'll certainly be in my prayers!
    by onelittlecandle at 02/26/10 12:51PM
  • kon_tiki
    Congratulations and God's blessings to you. What an amazing story. I had been out of town and missed your last post with the picture so this was a complete surprise. I am so thankful this opportunity came your way as she will be greatly blessed to have you and Sarah as parents. I am sure you feel equally blessed.
    by kon_tiki at 02/26/10 10:13PM
  • funsahm
    I am Thankful for your heart being willing to love and care for this precious child. I am Thankful that Ella will be able to return the blessings you are giving her in life through loving you in return. Beautiful.
    by funsahm at 02/28/10 8:41PM
  • sallyanne
    It was wonderful to meet you and to share in all the Ella joy ;)
    She is blessed to be a part of your lovely family.
    by sallyanne at 03/01/10 12:00AM
  • grizzlytwelve
    Ethan, I really think it is wonderful that your family has this opportunity to do something that will be such a blessing to all who are involved. I can only imagine how God will use this opportunity now and through the futire to do good things for all of you. I am confident that Ella's addition to your family will be just as much of a blessing to you guys as you are to her.
    by grizzlytwelve at 03/04/10 8:12PM

Deliver me from all my transgressions. Do not make me the scorn of the fool!

Greetings, everyone.

Peace, mercy, and grace be with you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.



I recognize that I haven't posted a whole lot recently. That seems to be the new normal. Busy, busy, busy.

We switched phone providers and now have BlackBerrys. As if I am not on the Internet enough, I know. But it is useful. It's like I've attained yuppiehood. I'm still not that into texting and I find thumb typing on obnoxiously small keys tiresome.

I went to the dentist today for the first time in 5 years. I actually have cavities for the first time in my life-- two small ones, one in each of my back bottom teeth. I'll have to get them filled in the somewhat near future, but since my dental insurance actually pays for things, it won't be that big of a deal. Tomorrow my wife and daughters go and see said dentist. It's the first time the girls have seen a dentist. Yes, that probably makes me a bad parent. But hey-- this is the first time in my adult life I have been able to get dental insurance on top of health insurance and afford it.

In other news, I should be reading more than I am, but since I'm carrying on three different sets of studies (weekday Hebrew/Greek studies, now in Psalms; Galatians for adult Bible class; Mark for nursing home), it's fairly understandable. I'm extremely behind with Julianna in history, but trying to make that up a little bit.

Actually, I feel behind with pretty much everything except the standard weekly work. And I'm irritated with my old health insurance company, tire of even the effort necessary in handling finances, and really not looking forward to taxes.

It's a normal February! :D



Book reading update.

I have finished one book-- The Forgiveness Solution by Philip Friedman. The only reason I have this book is because I won it through LibraryThing Early Reviewers.

The author discusses how, in his estimation, true forgiveness of self and others is critical for complete wholeness. Therefore, the book is devoted to tests analyzing where one stands in the forgiveness spectrum, and then describes various exercises through which one can be at ease in forgiving self and others. The exercises include guided imagery, self-expression, meditation, and pressure points.

The "new age" part of the book would be off-putting to many people-- the secularists for believing in something beyond the material, and the religious for being a bit Eastern in viewpoint. On the other hand, I've begun in general to wonder regarding the existence of spiritual power/force/energy and how that may relate to our physical world based on study/experience. The pressure point thing, while making one look rather stupid if others are present, does have a form of relaxing power.

Unfortunately, the author comes at many things in the exact opposite way than he should. One of his affirmations involves the idea that we are all really, deep down, innocent creatures, when the Bible would say that we are all really, deep down, guilty creatures. We're unified not in innocence but guilt.

Nevertheless, the power of forgiveness and the golden rule pervade the book, and the book provides methodologies that may be of value in accomplishing forgiveness and the golden rule in life. But there's a lot of ridiculousness in the book too.

Now reading: The Poetry of Prayer: Tehillim in Tefillah by Rabbi Avi Baumol. Yes, it's an early review book, but this comes from the publisher. This is what happens when you (a) have a working knowledge of Hebrew and Judaism and (b) are willing to do book reviews. But hey, I'm studying in Psalms, and such a perspective is interesting in terms of history of interpretation if nothing else.



May the peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirits.

ELDV
  • mjintexas
    Dental insurance is a GOOD thing. Glad you have it!
    by mjintexas at 02/04/10 10:36AM
  • holly_ann
    The book sounds interesting. I've been thinking a lot about spiritual forces and energies as well.
    by holly_ann at 02/05/10 9:02AM
  • slave_of_jesus_jdb
    The DRILL!!!!
    by slave_of_jesus_jdb at 02/06/10 7:21PM

Recantation of Political Participation

If others partake of this right over you, do not we yet more? Nevertheless we did not use this right; but we bear all things, that we may cause no hindrance to the gospel of Christ (1 Corinthians 9:12).

For some time I have defended the Christian's ability to vote and to thus participate in the political domain as a liberty-- taking concrete action to promote peace and tranquility for the Kingdom (1 Timothy 2:1-2). I have also established that the choice to vote for a particular political candidate is also a matter of liberty, based on the individual believer's sober judgment in regards to a given politician and their belief as to whether he or she would best uphold peace and tranquility for the Kingdom (1 Timothy 2:1-2). I, myself, have participated in such processes.

Nevertheless, on the basis of further study and examination of the current political climate, the ways in which Christians are participating in the political realm, and the impact of all such things on the health and promotion of the Kingdom, I feel compelled to now recant of my participation in the political processes of the United States and to eschew any such future participation for the sake of promoting God's Kingdom, and I would like for my fellow believers to soberly consider their own participation in this process and its implications and consequences.

As it is written,

Therefore let us also, seeing we are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us (Hebrews 12:1).

Participation in the political realm easily turns into, if nothing else, a "weight," and can also turn into "sin," and all too often hinders our effectiveness in promoting God's Kingdom because of dual loyalties.

As Jesus indicated in regards to God and Mammon in Matthew 6:24, "no man can serve two masters." This is no less true in the political realm. It is easy to get passionately involved in politics and voting and find oneself in morally hazardous terrain.

I feel compelled to establish first and foremost that politicians and the political systems boast of greater power and effectiveness than they can deliver, and Christians should not be fooled into believing their claims. There is no effective deliverance or salvation from evil on account of political action. God has made it very clear how people are saved:

For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek (Romans 1:16).

For a time in human history, God worked through a particular physical nation, Israel. The new covenant in Christ, however, stands as a clear repudiation of the idea that one particular earthly nation can be "God's nation," for God has people who belong to Him from many nations (John 18:36, Galatians 3:28). In the new covenant, salvation and deliverance does not come through acts of legislation or government mandates-- it can only come through the promotion and acceptance of the Gospel of Christ!

A country could theoretically have God's laws enshrined as their own laws, but such is never a guarantee that people are following those laws. Furthermore, how can there be any guarantee that legislation leads people to the knowledge of God in Christ? What would be gained if all the laws of the land were made to conform to God's laws, but not a soul was converted in the process? It would all be to no avail!

There are no commands, examples, or inferences in the New Testament that would lead us to believe that God saves anyone through the political process. There are no guidelines in the New Testament for establishing a "Christian nation." Furthermore, there is no evidence from the New Testament that any of the believers of the day-- Jesus, the Apostles, or anyone else-- depended upon or worked through the political system to advance God's purposes. The closest example we have is Paul using his Roman citizenship to avoid beatings and to be granted an audience with Caesar, a moment he intended to use to promote the Gospel (cf. Acts 22:25-29, 23:11, 25:10-11).

Therefore, any belief that God's purposes are going to be best served by devoting our efforts and resources to the political sphere are misguided. Politics are part of this world that is declared vanity by the Preacher (Ecclesiastes 1:2), and politics are indeed vanity. Should we devote our time, energy, and resources to vanity and striving after wind or after the spiritual treasures which will not perish (cf. Matthew 6:19-20)?

Most will declare that the Kingdom should come first, of course, but then that there is no difficulty also doing what one can in the political realm to advance God's purposes.

But we must ask the question-- can God's purposes ever be really advanced in the political realm, and is it really profitable to throw oneself into the political sphere?

Politics is a dirty endeavor, full of compromises and moral hazards. And when people with great moral integrity who seek to stand for God's values begin to enmesh themselves with politics, the darkness far too often proves too strong for the light!

Politics is not for the truly principled, and participation in the political realm as is invites moral compromise. Most recognize that voting ends up being choosing the "lesser of two evils," but notice that means that we are choosing an evil!

And herein is the inconsistency in political participation. There are a few people who stand by their integrity and participate in politics: they will only vote for candidates who have a fully Biblical stance on morality. But if you vote for anyone from the two major parties, you are by necessity compromising moral stances, because neither political party upholds God's system of morality.

The most damaging element of politics that I fear is causing great pain for the Kingdom involves party ideology. Too many Christians seem more than willing to align themselves with a given political party and to defend and justify whatever that party happens to do while excoriating and lambasting the other party no matter what they may do.

If a candidate of the opposing party has public moral failings, those are highlighted and condemned. But if a candidate from the "acceptable" party has public moral failings, such is ignored, minimized, or blunted with talk of forgiveness and the like.

If the time is convenient to push regarding a "moral" argument, any candidate who does not accept the truth regarding that "moral" argument is accursed. But if there are other, more pressing political issues, even a candidate from the "acceptable" party who does not hold to that particular "moral" argument can be justified. Furthermore, if one were to vote for a candidate from the "other" party who does not accept the truth regarding that "moral" argument, such is a sin, but if one votes for a candidate from the "acceptable" party who also does not accept the truth regarding that "moral" argument, it is understood that one voted for their other positions and not for their position on that "moral" argument.

Whatever political shenanigans the "other" party engages in shows how corrupt, evil, and debased they are, but the political shenanigans of the "acceptable" party are always justifiable.

Nothing evil can be said about candidates from the "acceptable" party, but it is always open season on the "other" party.

The people in the "other" party are always out for the destruction of everything we hold dear, while the people in the "acceptable" party always act sincerely in what they believe to be the best interest of this nation.

These types of attitudes and actions are hypocritical to the extreme and shameful. They indicate just how far politics can go in dividing people and alienating people. I am ashamed to say that I myself have participated at times in such arguments and have at times spoken improperly to my fellow brethren regarding such profitless and worthless disputations, and for that I have repented and continue to repent.

Consider what the New Testament says in contrast to what happens today.

Render to no man evil for evil. Take thought for things honorable in the sight of all men (Romans 12:17).

Honor all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king (1 Peter 2:17).


God says that we should take thought for what is honorable in the sight of all and that we should honor all men. If we engage in partisan character attacks and speak evilly of people with whom we disagree politically, are we acting in honorable ways? Do we show that we honor all men, even those with political opinions with which we differ, through such discussions and statements?

Put them in mind to be in subjection to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready unto every good work, to speak evil of no man, not to be contentious, to be gentle, showing all meekness toward all men (Titus 3:1-2).

Putting away therefore all wickedness, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings (1 Peter 2:1).


God also makes evident that we are to not speak evil of anyone, and yet it seems to be par for the course to assume that the people in power with whom we disagree clearly have evil intentions. The same benefit of the doubt that are given to one group are never given to others.

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honorable, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things (Philippians 4:8).

Paul here emphasizes the importance of devoting our minds to the things that are good and pleasing. He indicates that we must take thought as to what we take into ourselves in terms of information and where we obtain that information. There are many venues of information out there whose purpose is to promote a certain worldview and to alienate and malign any other perspective. All kinds of form of manipulation are used to distort reality in order to conform to the narrative of choice. This is done from both sides of the political spectrum, but as Christians, we should say enough, and no longer allow ourselves to be filled with messages that divide, alienate, and do not lead to peace!

Are we entirely ignorant of what the great push toward political participation has done to the Kingdom? Do we not see how our conduct among the Gentiles has been less than honorable because we have allowed ourselves to be wrapped into this pointless, futile contest of wills?

Regardless of where you live in America, odds are that between 45-65% of the population does not agree with your political preference, if you have gone along with one of the two major parties. If we push political messages, however consciously or unconsciously, are we not hindering our effectiveness in reaching 45-65% of those around us with the message that is really important?

What if the intense political participation that is manifest in Bible class discussions, stray comments from the pulpit, bulletin articles, Facebook statuses, blog posts, and the like, were responsible for pushing some people away from the Gospel message? How should we feel if we are allowing something as trivial and as unimportant as politics to get in the way from them learning of the truth of God?

I am sure that if such comments were made in regards to passion regarding sports teams or food preferences or some other such thing, we would all recognize how damaging that would be. How is politics any different?

If the political climate presents constant temptation to demonize my fellow man because of his different political beliefs, how is that going to help me break down barriers and to show him the love of Christ?

If I am pushing a particular political agenda, and the person with whom I am trying to show the Gospel already has a preconceived notion of the way Christians are based on that political agenda, is that political agenda going to assist or hinder my work?

If all the energy, time, money, and other resources that Christians expend in the political arena were redirected toward the promotion of the Gospel of Christ and the demonstration of love and compassion for our fellow man, how much further could Christ's cause be advanced?

I want to be clear: I am not condemning anyone for participating in the political process if they so choose. That remains a liberty even if I no longer practice it. This does not mean that I will cease from ever speaking about politics, especially when it comes to the intersection of politics and the Kingdom. I also recognize that many are able to keep their political views and their religious views separate, do not make a big deal about their political views, and certainly do not make their political views tests of fellowship, and for such brethren I am thankful.

Nevertheless, I have some questions that I believe merit consideration.

Has any soul been saved because of Christian participation in the political realm?

How, in any measurable spiritual way, has the Kingdom of God been advanced by Christian participation in the political realm?

How much damage has been done to the Kingdom by Christians participating in the political realm and getting caught up in evil surmisings, dishonorable words and actions, and antagonism toward people of a different political persuasion?

How many souls have been alienated from the commonwealth of Christ on account of the forceful presentation of the political opinions of Christians?

How has politics built up and encouraged the Lord's Body? In how many ways have politics instead torn down and distressed the Lord's Body?

If there is so much lost because of political participation, and so little gained, how can it ever be considered profitable for Christians to engage in it?

I have considered these questions and I cannot help but decide that political participation is not profitable when it comes to advancing the agenda of the Lord of all. Our fight is not with Democrats or Republicans or Independents or even with al-Qaeda or Iraq or terrorists or homosexuals or atheists-- Paul makes it clear that our fight is not with flesh and blood (Ephesians 6:12). Instead, our fight is with "the principalities, against the powers, against the world-rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places" (Ephesians 6:12). And those powers of darkness are well-served by Christians expending their energy fighting the futile fight of politics and losing ground in the good, necessary, and eternally consequent fight.

ELDV
  • godswarrior32803
    And Ethan, I did not say I voted Republican. I said I won't vote democrat. Evey one else keep saying that I am republican.
    by godswarrior32803 at 01/21/10 6:13PM
  • godswarrior32803
    Ethan, as far as compromise is concerned, I can vote without compromising my moral values. II once made that mistake and have regretted it ever since. I do not believe that I should ever choose the lesser of two evils. I firmly believe that if you cannot stand behind a person, when it comes to what they vote for on God's laws, you should not be voting for them. If it is homosexual marriage, the murder of children, or whatever you might believe is a moral issue that a candidate supports you should not vote for him/her.


    by godswarrior32803 at 01/21/10 8:25PM
  • grizzlytwelve
    What if a political candidate supports the right to commit adultery? You know, like Ronald Reagan or Fred Thompson?

    What if he supports the right to practice a denominational religion? You know, like George W. Bush?

    All such things (and many others) violate God's law and many of our most beloved conservatives support ideologies that are entirely inconsistent with Biblical teaching. If one cannot make concessions in terms of voting for a particlar candidate inspite of disagreement over significant issues that include areas in which various parts of God's law are rejected by the individual, then I do not see how we could vote for anyone. To make absolutely no compromise in who we vote for would be to do exactly as has been suggested...do not vote at all.

    There is considerable merit to many of the points that Ethan makes. The more that I think about the current political system, the more I am uncomfortable with participating in it.
    by grizzlytwelve at 01/21/10 9:24PM
  • onelittlecandle
    Good thoughts, and things I'll be contemplating further. Knowing you, Ethan, I'm sure you studied and considered the topic very carefully and earnestly before coming to a conclusion. I respect you for that! You also manage to generate more discussion on your blog on worthwhile topics than anyone else I know. :-)

    It made me think of a couple things I wanted to share... under your first point, where you said that participation in the political realm can easily turn into a weight or sin...is that not the same with many other things in life (health, exercise, hobbies) and we simply must exercise self-control and not allow it to take priority over God? We don't drop exercise merely because it might become a weight and sin. We keep it in perspective. But if one personally can't do so, then they are justified in avoiding it. If one can't, literally can't, keep politics in a proper perspective and behave in a godly manner, then avoiding then would be good. But we really ought to learn to keep ourselves under control. (Which is something you touched on farther down in your post.)

    And regarding the second point you made, we're under a totally different governing system now. One that allows its citizens much more freedom than those in the NT times had. It gives us just that much more opportunity to make a difference for good by using our votes! I imagine that the NT christians would have greatly welcomed the opportunity to make their morality and beliefs "heard." If everyone professing to believe in God shared the viewpoint that they ought not to vote or participate in the political realm at all, then where would we be? I don't think it would be anywhere good.

    Proverbs 14:34 says "Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people." In whatever nation we live in, under whatever government we serve, as christians our respnsibility is to do good and shine our lights in whatever manner we can. In our nation, voting is one of many possible ways to do so. However, it's not the only way, and we ought to be keeping busy serving God and others in every way we can! :)
    by onelittlecandle at 01/22/10 7:04AM
  • deusvitae
    Either the New Testament is our standard and we go by that standard or we do not. I cannot share in the optimism that the New Testament Christians would have certainly participated in the political system in the day if they had the chance-- Paul had many liberties in that area because of his citizenship and yet we have no indication that he ever used them.

    I also am not sure how it can be so certainly established that we can "do good" by using voting, especially considering the moral hazards present in both major political parties. Furthermore, are not politics vanity? What will remain of politics and legislative decision when the LORD puts this world to the torch (cf. 2 Peter 3:8-12)?
    by deusvitae at 01/22/10 9:18AM
  • aaron_nic
    Great post, Ethan. And kudos for not binding your personal position on anyone else. And I have to say that it absolutely breaks my heart that there are Christians who have added step 6: "Don't vote Democratic" to the plan of salvation. This proves your point in so many ways it would be hilarious if it weren't so sad.
    by aaron_nic at 01/22/10 11:23AM
  • themoodypreacher
    Very interesting thoughts Ethan.

    While I agree that many put more passion into their politics than they do their faith, let us be careful in our zeal to run from Rome that we do not run past Jerusalem. If all good men took your stance, who do you think would rule the lands? If all good men stand on the sidelines, how long do you think it would take for any shred of morality to exist (Prov. 14:34)? If all good men withdrew and decided not to vote, how long do you believe it would be before we would not be able to live "quiet and peaceable lives in all godliness and reverence" (1 Tim. 1:2)?

    When I look at 1 Timothy 2:1-2, I don't just see authority to participate in the political process (though many go far beyond what is healthy participation for a Christian in my opinion), I see a mandate that instructs us how best to participate. It doesn't explicitly go into details as to who to vote for, how to vote, or even whether to vote, etc. etc.. There are many other Biblical principles to govern us on those points, but it does exhort us to first and foremost "pray" for those who are leading (regardless of party affiliation) with the end in mind "that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence." The text tells us this is good because God "desires all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth." I see this as our end goal because the Holy Spirit, albeit in some small way, has made a connection between the our prayers for those in authority and the salvation of souls. I don't claim to have all the answers as to how exactly they are related, but I do believe that any goal that falls short of this simply falls short.

    Now, lest I be misunderstood. I believe people often "idolize" politics in their life in that they give it a higher place than God, let alone their brethren from "across the aisle" who do not share the same priorities in their politics (which is more important anyway, the life of the unborn or seeing to the needs of the poor or punishing terrorists or fixing healthcare and the economy?). Such treatment of our brethren is sinful and wrong, let alone the treatment of our enemies (Matt. 5:43-48). But by living faithful lives, voting to the best of our conscientious ability (i.e., honoring the King), and standing for the right (despite political affiliation), among many other righteous acts, folks are participating in the political process in a healthy way. Opposing abortion and fighting for the life of those not yet born by talking one person out of this heinous act gives a soul a chance at salvation. Opposing oppression and terrorism and fighting for the oppressed and afflicted gives souls a chance at salvation. Opposing sin ... period ... in all of its forms and fighting for righteousness is what our walk in this world is all about. If we can live in a place where man's laws harmonized with God's laws, is that not the answering of the prayers we offer based on 1 Timothy 2:1-2? Jesus did not tell the tax collectors in his day to cease being tax collectors, nor the centurions, or other government officials, he simply instructed them to do it righteously. Our weapons are far different than the weapons of this world. "Politics" is not a weapon for the Christian, but the sword of truth is. Christians will not change the world one vote at a time, they must change it one soul at a time. Nevertheless, that does not mean one should not vote so that they may have the opportunity to reach one soul.

    So, I say all this to say that I agree that folks need to regain their perspective and balance when it comes to such matters. I disagree in that I am not so sure that repudiating the political process that we can lawfully avail ourselves of is the best solution to finding that balance. I do appreciate that you do not bind this position, but am concerned that others will run with you making the same choice. Perhaps there is a better solution to the problem you rightly identify...
    by themoodypreacher at 01/22/10 6:02PM
  • grizzlytwelve
    I don't know...it seems like we want it both ways.

    We want to say that politics are not the Christians "weapon" but then we want to turn around and use politics to indirectly advance the cause of Christ and we encourage each other to participate on that basis. Perhaps I am missing something, but there seems to be an inherent contradiction in the reasoning. The distinctions seem more a matter of semantics and terminology as opposed to substantive.

    Again though, if we say that we voting on the basis of "opposing sin" and then turn around and support candidates that themselves openly support and practice various forms of sin, have we really "opposed sin...period"? Or have we just compromised our convictions because we prefered the low-tax/small-government policies of our candidate of choice? One of the inconsistencies that has always irked to me to no end is the reverence that we bestow upon Ronald Reagan coupled with our loathing of Bill Clinton. Everybody was up in arms over the fact that Clinton committed adultery and lied about it but nobody seemed to care that Reagan was living adultery the entire eight years that he was in office (the man was divorced and remarried). Still, Reagan is our political hero and Clinton is regarded as a piece of garbage. Why? Not because one was immoral and the other was not but because we liked Reagans economic policies. Surely we can see the massive inconsistency in this.

    As far as being able to live in a place where "man's laws harmonize with God's law", we are probably kidding ourselves. One, I don't know that God's word has called upon us to harmize the two laws. Two, I do not know that we can ever fully make man's law harmonize with God's law and still be keeping God's law. If that were the case, then we would be imposing the moral law of the gospel by means of force and such is prohibited (Matt. 10:14-15; 15:13-14).

    The fact remains that the voter must choose which parts of God's laws he believes should be upheld/enforced in the political arena and which ones should be allowed to slide. I don't know anybody who "opposes sin...period" in the voting process. We may oppose one candidate who supports a particular sin, but we always seem to turn around and hold hands with another cadidate who supports another type of sin. There is not much consistency in either our logic or our practice.

    Praying for our government is one thing...jumping right into the political arena is another thing.
    by grizzlytwelve at 01/22/10 8:31PM
  • themoodypreacher
    Grizzly, perhaps I did not make myself clear. Just to clarify a few points...

    1) Observe that I put "politics" in quotes for a reason. "Politics" does not imply truth. However, if a politician is speaking the truth, should I oppose it based on his morality or should I encourage it because it is the truth? If moral perfection is the mark (or even 100% agreement on all points), then no man is qualified to fill a role in government. The weapon a Christian should depend upon is the truth. Unfortunately, more often than not, at least these days, it seems truth and "politics" are on opposite ends of the spectrum. I fail to see the contradiction in reasoning.

    2) I used the phrase "opposing sin ... period" in a context. You pulled that statement from its context to argue against a point I never made. Do you deny that sometimes the fight for righteousness is won one battle at a time? If I can vote for a candidate or candidates that will save the lives of a few unborn children, then I will cast that vote. I fully recognize that no man is perfect and that I doubt I would find any man whom I agree with 100% who is running for public office (consider 1 Cor. 5:10 in light of this). Does that mean I should attack brethren who disagree with me on my priority of issues (which the OP rightly points out as a problem)? Does that necessitate to not vote at all? Does that make me inconsistent? I agree that one who would point out the flaws of one while ignoring the flaws of another is naive and inconsistent. I have never suggested doing such. My vote is not a vote for their salvation, but to fill an God ordained office--government (Rom. 13:1-7) in a way that allows us to live quiet and peaceable lives (1 Tim. 2:1-2).

    3) I agree. This world will never be heaven. Man's laws will never harmonize entirely with God's law and I never said they would or should. The simple point I made is that it is our prayer that leaders will write laws that allow us to live godly and peaceable lives. So, if individual laws are written that harmonize with God's laws, let us rejoice. If laws are written that oppose God's laws, then let us vote for those who oppose them. Sometimes my vote is not necessarily for a person, but against another person. I believe that is a viable option too.

    4) As I said, if I agree with a man on his view of adultery, does it necessarily follow that I agree with him on every view he holds? I don't see why the standard must be all or nothing here.

    5) Nobody suggested "jumping into political arena" ... I simply suggested that being balanced and careful in our perspective about politics is probably the wiser course than repudiating the entire process altogether. I don't think it is overly wise to get too involved in the affairs of this world (2 Tim. 2:11), but neither should we ignore them.
    by themoodypreacher at 01/22/10 9:15PM
  • deusvitae
    1 Timothy 2:1-2 is an important passage, but I do not see where the idea of praying for peace and tranquility for the Kingdom, by necessity, must lead to some kind of action. Our prayer is to God for persons in authority-- God can do things on account of prayer that we cannot do in any form of action in voting or the like. No "good men" in a Biblical sense were voting in Rome, and yet Peter and Paul could promote the Kingdom. I'm also "radical" enough to question as to whether a lack of persecution is really a good thing or if it leads to complacency. God remains in charge, however things may turn out.

    This country is of the world and will pass away along with the world (1 John 2:15-17). I don't see the correlation between withdrawal from the political process leading to some kind of "nuclear option" of total ungodliness. Furthermore, since the Bible does not address political participation, and nowhere assumes that Christians would be active in political participation, it need not have anything to do with "balance." I'm all for "balance in all things," and proclaim that message in many contexts. But there is always some kind of benefit to the matter concerning which there is to be "balance." The benefit of engaging in the political process has not yet been established.

    Furthermore, it has not been established that (a) participating in the political process really leads to standing up for what is truly and completely good, and (b) that God really intended us in the new covenant to be involved in a political process. In reality, He has been silent about it. Is it a matter of liberty? Certainly. But, as in every matter of liberty, the liberty can be fully repudiated if circumstances warrant. And considering the circumstances, there are circumstances that fully warrant it.
    by deusvitae at 01/22/10 9:34PM
  • themoodypreacher
    Ethan, you make some interesting points.

    God is in control and can bring about good whether we vote or not, whether we act or not. But, as faith without works is dead, so often in prayer without action. We can pray all day long for God to give increase to our crops, but if we plant no seed, well... are we really asking in faith? I do believe that we must back our prayers with faith, and that faith must be coupled with works to be justified.

    I must also admit that I am "radical" enough to believe, and have said it from the pulpit, that I am not sure if a lack of persecution makes for the strongest of Christians, and that persecution would certainly thin the ranks of those who do not really believe. However, I trust that God knows best. He asked us to pray as He did in 1 Tim. 2:1-2. He knows best.

    I also agree that this world is passing. I never suggested a "nuclear option" ... but can you deny that "evil flourishes when good men do nothing." We are to resist the devil (and I have always implied that this includes resisting his works also). I suggested a "balance" because many of the problems your opening article cites are issues of balance. To attack a brother/sister over a political issue or party affiliation is unbalanced to say the least. It is par with the devotion some people show to football teams. Sometimes, we just get too carried away. It is extreme. However, I see the other extreme as to repudiate it altogether. This of course comes with the caveat that if someone must "pluck their eye out" ... lest it cause them to sin ... then so be it. Each has their strengths and each has their weaknesses. I would never fault one who made such a decision.

    I do not believe that participation is the political process really leads to standing up for "what is truly and completely good" .. nor have I suggested it. I am fairly confident though that good can be done. I would never suggest someone make the political arena their primary means of doing good. God has a much better plan. However, I am not willing to completely surrender that ground to Satan either.

    Likewise, I am not sure that I would equate casting a vote being "involved with the political process." Please clarify what you mean by "involvement with the political process".

    I do agree that it is a liberty. However, such a liberties were repudiated for the sake of a weak conscience or the weak conscience of a brother. As with the plucking of one's eye, if such causes a man to wound his soul and sin, then he should have no part of it. It does not make the political process sinful, it just acknowledges the reality that someone can't involve themselves in it for conscience sake. FWIW, I do not watch political news and limit myself greatly in regards to how much "politics" I take in. I find it to be more of a burden to me than an aid in my walk with the Lord, so I avoid it. I will research candidates to make an educated vote when the time comes.
    by themoodypreacher at 01/22/10 10:12PM
  • grizzlytwelve
    Mr. Moody, how did I take your "opposing sin...period" statement out of context? The statement was made in the context of opposing things like abortion through the political process of voting. Was that not the context? How then did my response misrepresent the issue?

    The point is that if "opposing sin...period" demands that we not vote for individuals who support past, present, or future legislation that legalizes sins such as abortion or homosexual marriage, then the same logic would also demand that we not vote for individuals who support past, present, or future legislation that legalizes other forms of sin (divorce, adulterous remarriage, drunkeness, religious apostasy, etc.).

    You may very well not see ourselves as being inconsistent when we argue on the premise of thought that one should not vote for an individual who supports the legalization of certain sins but then turn around and vote "against" that individual by electing still another inidividual who himself supports legislation that has or will legalize sin. I, however, believe that the inconsistency is self-evident. We cannot just "prioritize" sin by saying that we are going to make a select few sins an issue with regard to who we vote for and, from a practical standpoint, ignore the rest.

    Practical application is where everything hits the fan here. Sure, we can verbally acknowledge that we have significant differences with ALL of the candidates on the ballot that extend even into the realm of moralty and sin. But what are we going to do with that acknowledgement?

    I, for one, would like to know which moral issues it is neccessary to have "100 percent agreement" on before we can vote for someone. Is abortion the only one? Maybe we should throw homosexual marriage in there for good measure too. But what about divorce, adultery, drunkeness, or religious apostasy? On what Biblical basis can we say that it is NOT acceptable to vote for a particular candidate on the basis of his stand on any one of these issues to the exclusion of the others?

    It appears to me anyway, that we are not only inconsistent in the way that we try to prioritize these things but we have no Biblical basis for our priorities. As Ethan has said more than once...sin is sin.
    by grizzlytwelve at 01/23/10 12:46AM
  • sallyanne
    I agree with Sherri. You sure generate valuable/interesting discussions on your blog.
    by sallyanne at 01/23/10 1:43AM
  • tom_bombadil
    I think the comments on this post illustrate very well Ethan's points, especially the hypocrisy of partisanship.
    by tom_bombadil at 01/23/10 12:00PM
  • deusvitae
    I exhort therefore, first of all, that supplications, prayers, intercessions, thanksgivings, be made for all men; for kings and all that are in high place; that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and gravity.
    1 Timothy 2:1-2

    I was thinking about this passage last night and how we've kind of passed over the precise way that Paul wrote what he wrote.

    The prayers, supplications, and intercessions are to be made for all men, which includes authorities. Therefore, whatever we would derive from this passage in regards to rulers must also apply to "all men."

    I still resist the idea that not voting = doing nothing. I am to petition God to make sure that we can lead tranquil lives. I am to make that petition on behalf of all men, including authorities. That is as pressing for my neighbor as it is for my President, for both, in their own ways, contribute to my ability to lead a tranquil life.

    And, especially in terms of my neighbor, that does not involve voting. But it does involve standing for what is right, and not just in the negative sense of condemning what is wrong, but also upholding what is good. If I am known for being full of that which is never against the law-- i.e. the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-24)-- that in and of itself will lead to greater tranquility.

    If my prayer truly came with no action whatsoever, I would agree with you. But if my petition for tranquility is matched with a concern to encourage souls to do what is right and to reflect Christ's love to them, then even without participating in the political process, I have put action behind my petition.

    Involvement in the political process certainly includes voting and goes from there-- working on behalf of candidates, being a candidate oneself, and so on and so forth.

    Personally, I am unconvinced that any good can really come out of the political process, and I think that the preponderance of evidence from what has (not) happened politically over at least the past 30 years attest to that.

    Meanwhile, we have seen profound shifts in public attitudes. Remember when Dan Quayle made such a big deal out of Murphy Brown presenting a single woman having a child out of wedlock? That was 1991 or so-- not that long ago. Since then, we've had Friends, Will and Grace, Sex and the City, a host of reality shows and the like, and now such a concern as evidenced in 1991 seems quaint.

    While many on the right have focused on legislation, the elements that we would oppose have been busying using other tools to persuade, and they have done quite well. We have been, on the whole, marginalized as the people attempting to force our will upon others through legislation-- that we are trying to get in other people's business and make their decisions for them. I am not arguing about the rightness of that perspective-- I am just saying that it's really difficult to be persuasive in the public sphere when that's the way you're perceived.

    There was wisdom in the Founding Fathers not using federal legislation to legislate morality and to expect the citizens of the country to make the moral, responsible decisions themselves. This requires ideas to succeed first in the public sphere in the common discourse before it could ever reach the point of legislation.

    For now I will end by appealing to historical parallels:

    1. Prohibition was a movement directed by conscientious Christians and others attempting to rid society of a moral evil. It was imposed by legislation (an amendment to the Constitution no less!) but failed miserably and was overturned within a generation.

    2. Resistance to and isolation of smoking involved a movement directed by a large coalition of interested parties that focused on societal education and persuasion leading to significant decreases in the use of smoking and turning public opinion against smoking. After over 15 years of societal persuasion, cities and states around the country saw legislation prohibiting smoking in public places, and more often than not, they passed and have been respected. There is no strong movement to allow smoking back in public places.

    We will get much farther by promoting the Gospel of Christ in the public discourse (Romans 1:16). If we can promote the Gospel of Christ, and not a political platform, we stand a much better chance of turning the tide of popular perceptions, and then, and only then, could there ever possibly perhaps be legislation that can work.

    But in our current environment, and the things that I have seen done to the Kingdom on account of politics, I must conclude that there's no value in it. Vanity and striving after wind.
    by deusvitae at 01/23/10 2:40PM
  • godswarrior32803
    Ethan, you conclude that then. I cannot. I do see value it in. I am convinced that because if Christians remain silent that we will eventually see ourselves persecuted. While I do not fear death, I am afraid for the faith of many. It is too weak right now to sustain persecution.

    I cannot help but feel that the story of Esther is relevant here. She used the political system that was available to her and did what she could. We are given an opportunity to let our voices be heard in a loving, law abiding way. (As opposed to the man in Kansas.) I do not want to be held accountable for wasting an opportunity.
    by godswarrior32803 at 01/23/10 4:58PM
  • themoodypreacher
    Excellent observations Ethan. You make your point well.

    I am not sure that my continuing the discussion will avail much. Therefore, I will continue to promote the Gospel of Jesus Christ AND cast votes that will, albeit in small ways, help support the prayers I offer daily for the leaders of this land (all of the leaders of this land, regardless of party and otherwise) .. to include my neighbors (a point which is well made, but not remiss from my thinking ... it was just not as relevant to the course of this discussion).

    I choose not to let "politics" interfere with the charge God has given me to preach the gospel. I can fulfill that charge AND cast prayerful votes as necessary. I believe you are at liberty to choose not to vote. God be thanked that you will redirect any energies you once spent in "politics" in the charge of promoting the gospel. In this I greatly rejoice.

    Thank you for the interesting and thought provoking discussion.
    by themoodypreacher at 01/23/10 5:21PM
  • drdivore
    Ethan, Excellent posts and points well made!
    by drdivore at 01/23/10 5:42PM
  • evilmonkey
    "Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."—2 Corinthians 3:17. Spreading the gospel is THE way things will change. The only way. Looking to anything else is idolatry.

    The pro-life movement is the prime example. The only thing it has accomplished is to rile people up and create some successful campaign contribution pushes. That's it. Politicians use misguided Christians all the time to solidify power.

    I do not vote, and when asked about my party, I now say Christian. That isn't to say that Christianity doesn't have anything to do with Politics, because it obviously does. We're spreading a Kingdom whose king is the King of Kings, for crying out loud. But true reform comes from the Gospel.
    by evilmonkey at 02/02/10 11:36AM
  • erik_powery
    this is the 1st time i have read your blog Ethan, and all i can say is Amen...Politics is filled with foolishness...We need common sense Legislation, but we do not need Politics...the "torch" is on it's way for Politics.
    by erik_powery at 03/04/10 11:41AM